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Rasofy
11-10-2011, 11:04 PM
How Tri Types work:
http://www.enneagram.net/tritype.html
Tri Types description:
Pro Tip: 2 forum pages packed with tri types descriptions, use search function!
http://personalitycafe.com/enneagram-personality-theory-forum/73452-27-tritype-archetype-descriptions-2.html

Today I read the description of my Tri type and I was very impressed to see how well it fits me. I don't really relate to any of the Enneagram 5 wings. I think I'm much closer to Enneagram 3 than 4 and 6.
Oh, thanks to Elfboy for hinting Tri-Type works. :)

So, what's your Tri Type?

Elfboy
11-10-2011, 11:24 PM
ENFP 7w8 7-8-4 Sp/Sx
The Messenger

the w8 + tritype 8 kinda doubles it up kinda like how the lady in the video was an 8w7 8-7-4 and said the her 7 was doubled up.

chana
11-10-2011, 11:35 PM
479 i think

4w5-7w6-9w? if we're going into all that

Haven
11-10-2011, 11:58 PM
2w3-6w7-9w1 or something like that

Glycerine
11-11-2011, 12:26 AM
5w6/9w1/3w4

andante
11-11-2011, 12:38 AM
In order:

sx/sp 8w7, 5w4, 3 with near balanced wings.

animenagai
11-11-2011, 12:50 AM
479... I think. That gut fix always gets me, but I'm a 4-7-something for sho. I might have an 8 in there somewhere, possibly as the wing to my 7. I think I'm too casual to have that 8 as my gut. The enneacards test say I'm a 4-7-1, but I think that's just my 4 putting on a facade.

Elfboy
11-11-2011, 12:56 AM
479... I think. That gut fix always gets me, but I'm a 4-7-something for sho. I might have an 8 in there somewhere, possibly as the wing to my 7. I think I'm too casual to have that 8 as my gut. The enneacards test say I'm a 4-7-1, but I think that's just my 4 putting on a facade.

most 8s and people with 8 in their tritype are chill as long as people leave them the fuck alone lol.
the cards are a poor test in my opinion. you probably scored more 1 because the pictures were heroic looking which appealed to your Fi and your 4 =P

Domino
11-11-2011, 01:17 AM
I'm a 4w3 sx/so. Where do I find my Tri type? I'm so confused.

CuriousFeeling
11-11-2011, 01:35 AM
4-5-1: The Researcher
4w5-5w4-1w2


Both the 451 and 459 are reserved and introspective and self conscious. The 451 is very critical of themselves and others.They are very particular and have a lot of shoulds. They can be strident. Dissatisfaction is visible as their energy can be prickly. The 459 is more reserved and passive. They wait to be included. They are approachable but hope that others will come towards them. They are quiet in their demeanor. They project a sense of stillness. Their energy is soft and yielding. Dissatisfaction is hidden like in the 479.


478 and 451 are very different types of 4. The 478 is intensely individualistic and more assertive whereas the 451 is individualistic but much more introspective and reserved. The 478 is somewhat optimistic and focuses more on the need for inspiration than the 451. The 451 is more particular and is more motivated by gathering meaningful information that is useful.


(4)-5-1 - The Competent 4
Intellectual. May be involved in philosophy. They enjoy coming to understand themselves and their world.



451 is the most 5ish 4. Rational and scientific.

451 - knowledgeable and discerning 4. Most intellectual 4, especially if social subtyle of with a 5 wing. Likes to teach.

OrangeAppled
11-11-2011, 01:57 AM
I'm pretty sure I am 4-5-1. Although being called a "researcher" is terribly dull isn't it? Such is my fate...to be dull. But at least I have an exciting 4-esque wardrobe.

I don't know about all the wings yet, except I'm sure that my main type is 4w5 sp/sx.
I'm leaning towards 1w9 for my gut type. 5w4 is tempting for my head type, just because I relate so heavily to 4.

animenagai
11-11-2011, 02:00 AM
most 8s and people with 8 in their tritype are chill as long as people leave them the fuck alone lol.
the cards are a poor test in my opinion. you probably scored more 1 because the pictures were heroic looking which appealed to your Fi and your 4 =P

That's definitely part of it. I do think that being a 4 can look a lot like a 1 though. Things are never quite good enough, there's so much more I could've done.

Cloud of Thunder
11-11-2011, 02:10 AM
1w9-4w5-5w4.

highlander
11-11-2011, 02:11 AM
As the sig says, 638 sx. Mostly on the counter-phobic side of 6.

The description in the book does not differentiate between 638 and 683. 683 is described as the "justice fighter". I'm not sure it really rings true for me though I can see all of the three individually clearly in myself.

Wings do nothing for me. Neither seems to apply. Maybe I don't have much of one.

darling devotee
11-11-2011, 02:22 AM
newly-self-identified 4-7-8 here~! AAA ILOVEMYTRITYPESOMUCH -glomps tritype-


-struts around thread being all 4-7-8 and awesome-


:cheese:

Rasofy
11-11-2011, 02:50 AM
I'm a 4w3 sx/so. Where do I find my Tri type? I'm so confused.
According to the theory, people have one Enneagram of each triad (heart= 2,3,4; head 5,6,7; gut= 8,9,1). You have to find the ones you relate more to, in order. I don't think there's a free test, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure your trytipe by yourself. :)


479 i think
Fits you much better than 4w5 :laugh:

Southern Kross
11-11-2011, 02:59 AM
I've gone back and forth on the order but I think I'm a 4-5-1; more specifically 4w5, 5w4 and 1w9 (although I'm still not certain on the 1 wing).

It seems there are a few of us. :hifive:


I'm pretty sure I am 4-5-1. Although being called a "researcher" is terribly dull isn't it? Such is my fate...to be dull. But at least I have an exciting 4-esque wardrobe.. It's not so dull. Here's a more detailed description of the overall archetype:


145

If you are a 145, you are diligent, intuitive, and knowledgeable. You want to be ethical, original and wise. Highly intellectual, you are focused on what you perceive is correct and above reproach. Research oriented, you seek and quote the opinions of experts to avoid being seen as ignorant.

Your life mission is to study and learn as much as you can and then teach the wisdom of what you have learned to others. A true researcher, you are happiest using your investigative skills.

You can be so identified with the information that you have gathered and the correct way of doing things that you feel exhausted and can appear to be a persnickety know it all.
It's very true of me, including the "persnickety know it all" bit :laugh:

I think the most interesting bit about my tritype is it explains that slight hard edge that a 1 gives. It also explains the perfectionism, conviction, idealism and my inclination to express my opinions quite forcibly, and I have a lot of them.

Rasofy
11-11-2011, 03:05 AM
I think I'm alone. :cry:

Richardsen
11-11-2011, 03:27 AM
4w5 - 5w6 - 8w9
I thought that my 5 was a cp 6.
But no...
Im a scholar... yeah... I am ;)

Chloe
11-11-2011, 03:34 AM
I think I'm alone. :cry:


nope. Asterion is 5-3-9


I'm 3-7-9, or 3-x-9, i cant really tell for head type.

highlander
11-11-2011, 03:54 AM
it shouldn't be too hard to figure your trytipe by yourself. :)



This was not my experience. Maybe that was an exception though.

Domino
11-11-2011, 05:02 AM
My highest numbers fall out as 4 3 6. I still don't understand.

AphroditeGoneAwry
11-11-2011, 05:03 AM
You have to choose the number that resonates best with you from each 'center:' The head center (5,6,7), the heart center (2,3,4) and the body center (8,9,1). Then out of those figure out which one you use most and order them accordingly. :)

Domino
11-11-2011, 05:06 AM
You have to choose the number that resonates best with you from each 'center:' The head center (5,6,7), the heart center (2,3,4) and the body center (8,9,1). Then out of those figure out which one you use most and order them accordingly. :)

A-HA! The lady speaks and enlightenment is had.

I'm still no closer to it, but at least I'm no longer banging into things.

AphroditeGoneAwry
11-11-2011, 05:14 AM
:smile:

I am (i think) 4-9-5, because I prefer 4, then I'm most like 9, then 5 is my best out of 5/6/7.

Domino
11-11-2011, 05:33 AM
:smile:

I am (i think) 4-9-5, because I prefer 4, then I'm most like 9, then 5 is my best out of 5/6/7.

Well then, it would seem that I'm 4-6-8, rebellious Truth Teller/Hot Head with a gun on my hip.

Kasper
11-11-2011, 06:55 AM
The superhappy bouncyflouncy one!

7w8-9-3 sp/so

:yay:

Asterion
11-11-2011, 12:35 PM
I think I'm alone. :cry:

Yeah, you're definitely not alone, the only difference between you and me is I'm a 4 wing! :D

Oh, and [mention]Bamboozle[mention] is a 5 3 1. Pretty similar.

Such Irony
11-11-2011, 05:33 PM
5w6/9w1/3w4

Same here. I'm least sure of 3w4, could be 4w5. I also have pretty balanced wings so 5w4 could also work. Definitely 9w1. 1w9 would be a distant second.

chana
11-11-2011, 06:29 PM
According to the theory, people have one Enneagram of each triad (heart= 2,3,4; head 5,6,7; gut= 8,9,1). You have to find the ones you relate more to, in order. I don't think there's a free test, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure your trytipe by yourself. :)


Fits you much better than 4w5 :laugh:

i actually score way higher in 5 than 7, i thought i could be 5w4 for a while. you just think i'm dumb huh.

Rasofy
11-11-2011, 08:10 PM
Yeah, you're definitely not alone, the only difference between you and me is I'm a 4 wing! :D
Hey buddy! :hifive: This wing seems to make us pretty different though. :thinking:

i actually score way higher in 5 than 7, i thought i could be 5w4 for a while. you just think i'm dumb huh.
Not really. Just not ''intellectual''. But you don't have to be ''intellectual'' to be smart. Also means you are fun. :hug:

CzeCze
11-11-2011, 08:41 PM
My tritype is:

Awesome/Awesomer/Awesomest

That is all

:cool:

Elfboy
11-11-2011, 09:13 PM
My tritype is:

Awesome/Awesomer/Awesomest

That is all

:cool:

my tritype is the same but reversed, which makes me more awesome because awesomest is my main type =P

Asterion
11-11-2011, 10:40 PM
Hey buddy! :hifive: This wing seems to make us pretty different though. :thinking:

I don't see any differences, you must be a sensor, lol. You do seem slightly more sp like than I am, or maybe it's the wing, as you say. edit: I don't know about that actually, I can't see all that many differences at all /stalking :D

I find it funny that 5 is really into self improvement/enneagram/mbti etc. and 3 is also often very into self improvement/enneagram/mbti. This place is probably quite full of 5 3 x types, and some 3 5 x types too. (3s are usually more out there asking for help than 5s that are most commonly seen on the interwebs!).

Savage Idealist
11-12-2011, 01:26 AM
Mine's 4w3 > 6w7 > 1w2 (although my gut fix may be 9w1 instead, still not sure; also wings of the 4 ans 6, as well as respective position of the two, are still not completely known).

Chloe
11-12-2011, 02:35 AM
My tritype is:

Awesome/Awesomer/Awesomest

That is all

:cool:


my tritype is the same but reversed, which makes me more awesome because awesomest is my main type =P

It's true what they say about the differences of 3s and 7s..., huh, 7s don't even need a mirror to fall in love with themselves. :happy2:

Elfa
11-12-2011, 02:38 AM
4/6/9 for me, the Seeker. And it fits perfectly for me. I look for answers, and I'm hardly satisfied with them. Nice.

Rasofy
11-12-2011, 04:03 AM
I don't see any differences, you must be a sensor, lol. You do seem slightly more sp like than I am, or maybe it's the wing, as you say. edit: I don't know about that actually, I can't see all that many differences at all /stalking :D
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUU I'm not a sensor!!! :ranting:
Just kidding. I find it funny when people get mad after they are called sensors. :laugh:
What's your instictual variant?
Also, you mean more sp self preservation instinct or more like mbti types XSXP ?
Not that many differences actually. I guess I was expecting to find some a clone or something. :thinking:

I find it funny that 5 is really into self improvement/enneagram/mbti etc. and 3 is also often very into self improvement/enneagram/mbti. This place is probably quite full of 5 3 x types, and some 3 5 x types too. (3s are usually more out there asking for help than 5s that are most commonly seen on the interwebs!)
Yes, it is probably common among people searching for self improvement through typology . The 9 last seems to smooth the narcissism potential of Enneagrams 5 and 3 combined. The 538 combo sounds pretty scary. But maybe it's just me.

Elfboy
11-12-2011, 11:53 AM
It's true what they say about the differences of 3s and 7s..., huh, 7s don't even need a mirror to fall in love with themselves. :happy2:

hahahaha that's about right

Asterion
11-12-2011, 03:18 PM
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUU I'm not a sensor!!! :ranting:
Just kidding. I find it funny when people get mad after they are called sensors. :laugh:
What's your instictual variant?
Also, you mean more sp self preservation instinct or more like mbti types XSXP ?
Not that many differences actually. I guess I was expecting to find some a clone or something. :thinking:

Yes, it is probably common among people searching for self improvement through typology . The 9 last seems to smooth the narcissism potential of Enneagrams 5 and 3 combined. The 538 combo sounds pretty scary. But maybe it's just me.

I think we all know this, but there is so much more to people than type that two people of exactly the same 'type' won't be the same. You probably don't share Australian values for one, you may have been brought up completely differently, social pressures make a huge difference (maybe not so big a deal for 5s, but it's definitely strong), not to mention, we all have different feelings, different levels of control, the list is huge.

The main thing with the enneagram, is that we share similar behavioral patterns, like holding back feelings out of fear that you're being controlled, or adapting your self image like a 3. I'm actually yet to see a 5 that can openly express their feelings irl, I guess that's why we all end up on forums, where there is anonymity and less importance on the expression feeling involved.

Yeah, I'm sp/sx too, and I didn't mean SP (MBTI is always capitalized, of course, as long as we don't encounter any of the lazy typists). I also relate to being chaotic neutral too, lol.

I love calling people sensors here. It's like the plague, even if they're just playing along to it, it's funny. Especially if they realize that they are actually sensors. Always pick on them for calling out differences or specific facts, because that's when you can actually turn it into an argument if need be (despite the fact that everybody uses both intuition and sensing of course) :devil:

darling devotee
11-12-2011, 08:57 PM
Ooh, just found an interesting tritype-related post over at the Enneagram Institute forum :D


http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24325

Found these assertions especially valuable:

'*Most optimistic tritypes-279, 729, 927
*Darkest tritype-458, 854, 584 (particularly when 4 or 5 are in charge)
*Most assertive tritype-378, 873, 783
*Most freedom loving-478, 874, 784, 827, 278, 728
*most reactive-468, 864, 648
*Most withdrawn/introspective-459, 954, 549
*Most doubting- 469, 649, 946'

...Interesting, ne~?

As 478 I definitely relate to the description of freedom-loving; [as I've recently unearthed due to the combined effect of tritype research and RL experiences,] there's a need to be ultimately self-willed and free that operates on an an absolutely root--almost violent--level. I HATE people acting like they've got a claim on me. It makes me so angry; the response is so strong it surprises me myself... As such, the idea of being in a closed, monogamous relationship makes me feel physically sick. And no, don't think this is commitment issues/immaturity, or at least not in the main -grin-

momental
11-12-2011, 09:11 PM
I believe myself to be the 3-5-9 tri-type.

Elfboy
11-12-2011, 09:52 PM
Ooh, just found an interesting tritype-related post over at the Enneagram Institute forum :D


http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24325

Found these assertions especially valuable:

'*Most optimistic tritypes-279, 729, 927
*Darkest tritype-458, 854, 584 (particularly when 4 or 5 are in charge)
*Most assertive tritype-378, 873, 783
*Most freedom loving-478, 874, 784, 827, 278, 728
*most reactive-468, 864, 648
*Most withdrawn/introspective-459, 954, 549
*Most doubting- 469, 649, 946'

...Interesting, ne~?

As 478 I definitely relate to the description of freedom-loving; [as I've recently unearthed due to the combined effect of tritype research and RL experiences,] there's a need to be ultimately self-willed and free that operates on an an absolutely root--almost violent--level. I HATE people acting like they've got a claim on me. It makes me so angry; the response is so strong it surprises me myself... As such, the idea of being in a closed, monogamous relationship makes me feel physically sick. And no, don't think this is commitment issues/immaturity, or at least not in the main -grin-

most freedom loving = WIN

darling devotee
11-12-2011, 10:25 PM
most freedom loving = WIN

IKR?

:D

andante
11-12-2011, 10:53 PM
Ooh, just found an interesting tritype-related post over at the Enneagram Institute forum :D


http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24325

Found these assertions especially valuable:

'*Most optimistic tritypes-279, 729, 927
*Darkest tritype-458, 854, 584 (particularly when 4 or 5 are in charge)
*Most assertive tritype-378, 873, 783
*Most freedom loving-478, 874, 784, 827, 278, 728
*most reactive-468, 864, 648
*Most withdrawn/introspective-459, 954, 549
*Most doubting- 469, 649, 946'

...Interesting, ne~?

As 478 I definitely relate to the description of freedom-loving; [as I've recently unearthed due to the combined effect of tritype research and RL experiences,] there's a need to be ultimately self-willed and free that operates on an an absolutely root--almost violent--level. I HATE people acting like they've got a claim on me. It makes me so angry; the response is so strong it surprises me myself... As such, the idea of being in a closed, monogamous relationship makes me feel physically sick. And no, don't think this is commitment issues/immaturity, or at least not in the main -grin-Did you notice that many of those tritype groupings aren't possible? The three groups should be head, heart and gut.

darling devotee
11-12-2011, 10:57 PM
Did you notice that many of those tritype groupings aren't possible? The three groups should be head, heart and gut.

oh yeah :doh: Damn you, skim-reading skills!

Oh well, I liked the bit about my own type, anyway, lol.

sleuthiness
11-13-2011, 12:06 AM
Check this (http://www.enneagram.net/tests/paidlogin.aspx) test out (you'll need a code, Tritype1111).

It says I'm an e549, but on the resulting "enneaspread" (6 preferred cards), 8 is in third, with 9 in sixth. Thinking I'm e548 instead.

Ride your gut with the stacking portion; words haven't been all that carefully chosen.

Silveresque
11-13-2011, 01:06 AM
Check this (http://www.enneagram.net/tests/paidlogin.aspx) test out (you'll need a code, Tritype1111).

It says I'm an e549, but on the resulting "enneaspread" (6 preferred cards), 8 is in third, with 9 in sixth. Thinking I'm e548 instead.

Ride your gut with the stacking portion; words haven't been all that carefully chosen.

Thanks for the link and code. :)

I got 954, though it could just as easily have been 594 or 964. I find it interesting that 4 wasn't even in my enneaspread. I got Sp/Sx for my instinctual stacking.

Richardsen
11-13-2011, 02:42 AM
*Darkest tritype-458, 854, 584 (particularly when 4 or 5 are in charge)[/SIZE]

Darky dark.... Yeah makes some sense to me.
The more hermetic tritype I'd say too.

CuriousFeeling
11-13-2011, 03:28 AM
This is what I got on it:

Your Report Summary:
Top ranked Enneacard overall: Type 4
Top Ranked Enneacard in your Enneaspread: Type 4
Potential Wing(s): 3, 5
Potential Tritype: 451
Potential Instinctual Stacking: Self-Preservation > Sexual > Social

Enneaspread:
You have all three Focused Responder Enneacards
(Enneagram Types: 1, 3 & 5) in your Enneaspread.
You see yourself as controlled, disciplined, tenacious and pragmatic. You avoid error and sloppiness in your work and people who over-focus on their emotions. Naturally focused and perfectionistic, you like to set goals. You prefer to respond when you have had time to assess and evaluate.

You have all three Heart Type Enneacards
(Enneagram Types: 2, 3 & 4) in your Enneaspread.
You are a heartfelt, emotive and adaptable person. Your primary issues are craving attention and wanting to be attached to others. You may struggle with being identified with your image or "false" self. Whether or not you overtly express it, you are motivated by and take action when you have strong feelings. Fearing grief, shame or being ignored, you seek attention and affirmation. As a child, you often felt you lacked accurate mirroring. You want to be seen and valued by others.

Enneacard pairs: 4

Potential Wing: 3, 5

earthtrekker1775
11-13-2011, 03:51 AM
There is a ton of information on that site that I will need to sift through. It does seem to be the most accurate Enneagram test I have taken so far, and with the best explanations. For what it is worth, these are my results. Feel free to give feedback, I still haven't made up my mind about tri-type theory yet.


Your Report Summary:
Top ranked Enneacard overall: Type 5
Top Ranked Enneacard in your Enneaspread: Type 8
Potential Wing(s): 6
Potential Tritype: 163
Potential Instinctual Stacking: Sexual > Self-Preservation > Social

So what the heck is a 163-Taskmaster archetype?

Found it, and it is not all that accurate for me, or I should say it is fairly accurate but it is not the primary skill-set, drive, focus in my life.


edit: I figured out my tritype. The 136 is not accurate, I do have some of those attributes but not to any degree that I would fit that tritype. By reading up on each of the 9 enneagram types and then going with the best fit for who I am in each head, gut, heart and ranking them according to preference of use/reliance. I come up with a tritype of 584. I read the description and it fit eerily well. Which is interesting because I don't give the enneagram much credit in general. But, if the glove fits...

584 varient of – The Scholar Archetype

wolfy
11-13-2011, 04:04 AM
974 doesn't fit me at all... I don't relate, I'm not etheral, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4f/Sprite_logo.png/230px-Sprite_logo.png or fairy like.

This is the sort of sprite or fairy like tritype. There is a need to remain positive while still searching for meaning. The blindspot is that there is an attraction to magical thinking and missed opportunities to speak their truth so they find themselves glossing over negative feeling states in favor of something more comfortable or positive. When 4 is in charge there's a tendency to not see all the ways in which depression or sadness is evaded through this magical thinking process. Etheral, blah, blah, blah...

animenagai
11-13-2011, 04:42 AM
OK, what is this witchcraft? I've done the cards test before, so I know that the 1 cards appeal to me for the wrong reasons. A lot of these qualities just look like a 4 (the way they present it anyways), so I often test as a 1 in my gut type, when I'm really a 9 there. I tested as a 4-7-1 in the enneaspreads test the first time round. I wanted to read the 479 description instead so I redid the test with that specific thing in mind - whenever I saw a 9 card paired with a 1 card I would choose the 9, no matter how good the 1 looked. OK did that, still got 471. What the shit?

thealchemist
11-13-2011, 06:55 PM
I can relate to enneagrams 5, 4, 1. I know 5 is the strongest.. but I'm not sure yet about 5-4-1 or 5-1-4 aaaand I have problems with the PCafe descriptions. :P

shortnsweet
11-13-2011, 07:33 PM
Well, I relate almost equally to 4w5 and 7w6. I never know about the third. I thought I was a 7w8 and relate to 7 and 8 but not the description of them put together- just relate to the two for separate reasons. I relate to 7w6 description more. I always think that I'm a 749, but after reading these descriptions (and I'm glad there are finally descriptions out there) I can relate to the 4/7/8 the most. I don't relate to 749 much at all except that I am off in my own world. "Magical ethereal and fairy-like" is a bit much, don't ya think? It's just a world. I will think on this a bit.

Or I could just have a "ditype." 7/4 nothing. :D

brainheart
11-13-2011, 10:52 PM
I've taken the enneacard test twice and both times it said 4-5-9, although I see myself more in the 451 and 471 descriptions, esp about procrastinating when know can't live up to ideals of perfection and being research obsessed. In the case of the 471, alternating between letting loose and being overly proper rings true for me.

wolfy, I hate that whole 'ethereal' thing with nine, too. It seems so loopy. And inaccurate. Sure, there are ethereal nines, but plenty who are not.

Glycerine
11-13-2011, 11:44 PM
5-9-3: Most success-oriented Five. Needs prestige, especially if SOC.

five with a nine fix: pattern seeking above all. whimsical exploration,
disposition of reluctant idealist. open minded,
philosophical perspective. can seem to lack focus
while associating groupings of information into larger
theories. likes people and humanity as a whole,
shares ideas and is relatively easy to get along with.

Sounds the most like me.

wolfy
11-14-2011, 12:54 AM
I scanned through all the types and 479 probably does fit best overall. I always related well to the trickster archetype.


...or I think when it's a male energy you get a strong trickster archetype. Playful yet meaningful. ...

earthtrekker1775
11-14-2011, 12:57 AM
Or I could just have a "ditype." 7/4 nothing. :D

Heresy!!!!

Vizzy
11-14-2011, 12:21 PM
My results are a tad surprising.

Top ranked Enneacard overall: Type 5
Top Ranked Enneacard in your Enneaspread: Type 5
Potential Wing(s): 4
Potential Tritype: 594
Potential Instinctual Stacking: Sexual > Self-Preservation > Social

I never doubted 5w4 but it's interesting to see my tritype with a 9 in second place.
Also, sexual before self-preservation. Hmm...it's quite possible. It was always between those two anyway.

brainheart
11-14-2011, 04:20 PM
If I could be any other tritype, I'd be a 458. I really wish I had an eight gut fix. I think that's the thing that sucks about the one gut- I totally feel my anger, and there's so much energy there that I could use for something real, to help achieve the things I want to do-to hell with my super ego- but instead I just repress that energy and turn it against myself.

ICUP
11-14-2011, 06:15 PM
I think I might be 6-8-4, The Truth Teller.
I wonder if tritypes can change. I'm sure at one time I was probably 9 instead of 8, and I can still revert to 9 at times, when I don't think the situation deems worthy. Sometimes it's just not worth it to go through the trouble of being a truth teller lol.

OrangeAppled
11-15-2011, 11:10 PM
It's not so dull. Here's a more detailed description of the overall archetype:

Well, "researching" isn't dull to me, but it doesn't exactly make for entertaining party stories :tongue:



It's very true of me, including the "persnickety know it all" bit :laugh:

I think the most interesting bit about my tritype is it explains that slight hard edge that a 1 gives. It also explains the perfectionism, conviction, idealism and my inclination to express my opinions quite forcibly, and I have a lot of them.

Yeah....I do the bolded so much it's almost hilarious to read it. The demeanor is just, er, stiffer than the other IFPs possibly appear. But being a 4 primary, there is still something little more kooky going on than the 145 description suggests. People tend to be surprised I'm not a goody-good or totally dry when they get to know me. The self-indulgence can go beyond info gathering also, but that's sort of a given for any 4.


145

If you are a 145, you are diligent, intuitive, and knowledgeable. You want to be ethical, original and wise. Highly intellectual, you are focused on what you perceive is correct and above reproach. Research oriented, you seek and quote the opinions of experts to avoid being seen as ignorant.

Your life mission is to study and learn as much as you can and then teach the wisdom of what you have learned to others. A true researcher, you are happiest using your investigative skills.

You can be so identified with the information that you have gathered and the correct way of doing things that you feel exhausted and can appear to be a persnickety know it all.

LunaLuminosity
11-15-2011, 11:35 PM
7w6 3w4 9w8 , but I took this one http://www.enneagramquiz.com/quiz.html instead of the card one. It fits though... my 7 and 3 are really close. The 9 is just there to give chill pills to the other two :D

shortnsweet
11-15-2011, 11:42 PM
7w6 3w4 9w8 , but I took this one http://www.enneagramquiz.com/quiz.html instead of the card one. It fits though... my 7 and 3 are really close. The 9 is just there to give chill pills to the other two :D

This test gave me the exact same result, except that the 7 had an 8 wing. (Twilight zone music.)

(buttttt it doesn't fit.)

brainheart
11-16-2011, 12:00 AM
This test gave me the exact same result, except that the 7 had an 8 wing. (Twilight zone music.)

(buttttt it doesn't fit.)

That test gave me 4w5/5w4/1w2. I would think I'd be more likely to be 1w9- But I've really had to tap into the two lately so maybe it's picking up on that.

lastrailway
11-16-2011, 12:06 AM
Hmm, I took the sample test and I got both top and second ranked enneacard "Enneagram Type 5".

On the test posted by LunaLuminosity I got 5w6, 3w2, 1w9.

Southern Kross
11-16-2011, 02:15 AM
Well, "researching" isn't dull to me, but it doesn't exactly make for entertaining party stories :tongue:
So you mean to say that, "I was watching this interesting TED talk online the other day..." or "I recently read this article about a new study on..." aren't good conversation starters at parties? :huh:

This explains some things... :unsure:

:newwink:


Yeah....I do the bolded so much it's almost hilarious to read it. The demeanor is just, er, stiffer than the other IFPs possibly appear. But being a 4 primary, there is still something little more kooky going on than the 145 description suggests. People tend to be surprised I'm not a goody-good or totally dry when they get to know me. The self-indulgence can go beyond info gathering also, but that's sort of a given for any 4.
Well as the link Rasofy suggested, apparently, "451 is the most 5ish 4. Rational and scientific" - which would explain the things you mentioned. And I guess the 5 and 1 would seem to create a sense of dryness and rigidity - although it's strange that to others this would appear to overshadow the expressive, quirky and romantic nature of the 4. I suspect others think I'm dry and a bit of a goody good too. Not that they tell me - it's more of an impression of their impression.

Did you see the video Elfboy posted a while back? In it they compare a 451 and a 479 and you can see how much variation there can within the 4 (and probably equally within INFPs). It would be interesting to see what are the most common tritypes for the INFP 4s around here.

If you haven't seen it, here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3MB4dQUBIQ) (just skip to 46:13 to get to the 4 comparison)

OrangeAppled
11-16-2011, 02:40 AM
Well as the link Rasofy suggested, apparently, "451 is the most 5ish 4. Rational and scientific" - which would explain the things you mentioned. And I guess the 5 and 1 would seem to create a sense of dryness and rigidity - although it's strange that to others this would appear to overshadow the expressive, quirky and romantic nature of the 4. I suspect others think I'm dry and a bit of a goody good too. Not that they tell me - it's more of an impression of their impression.

Well, that's sort of what I meant; I don't think it entirely overshadows the 4 nature. It's hard to know what impression you give people, and context & preconceptions affect it a lot. Some do find me starry-eyed & quirky, but then they fail to note my bookish side.


Did you see the video Elfboy posted a while back? In it they compare a 451 and a 479 and you can see how much variation there can within the 4 (and probably equally within INFPs). It would be interesting to see what are the most common tritypes for the INFP 4s around here.

If you haven't seen it, here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3MB4dQUBIQ) (just skip to 46:13 to get to the 4 comparison)

Yeah, their comments are interesting. It's hilarious that the 451 has a similar job to me also.

I'm still not entirely convinced of tri-type because I continue to wonder if it's just a different way of explaining the same traits/motivations that some other aspect of enneagram explains also. Maybe I think this because my wing & integration point (5 & 1) are also in my tri-type.... What if it's the same thing with different names?

And what if the 479 is so 9ish appearing because they are actually a 9 mistyped as a 4 (maybe because they are disintegrating reactive, anxious 6 traits or integrating 3 image motivations)?

I notice those who focus on tritype don't put as much stock into wings & integration/disintegration, discussing them far less & even sometimes dismissing their effects, and I wonder if that is why.... the theories possibly conflict a little, or both are not necessary because they overlap too much.

Southern Kross
11-16-2011, 02:52 AM
Yeah, their comments are interesting. It's hilarious that the 451 has a similar job to me also.

I'm still not entirely convinced of tri-type because I continue to wonder if it's just a different way of explaining the same traits/motivations that some other aspect of enneagram explains also. Maybe I think this because my wing & integration point (5 & 1) are also in my tri-type.... What if it's the same thing with different names?

And what if the 479 is so 9ish appearing because they are actually a 9 mistyped as a 4 (maybe because they are disintegrating reactive, anxious 6 traits or integrating 3 image motivations)?

I notice those who focus on tritype don't put as much stock into wings & integration/disintegration, discussing them far less & even sometimes dismissing their effects, and I wonder if that is why.... the theories possibly conflict a little, or both are not necessary because they overlap too much.
Yes, you have a point but I am aware that my 1-like qualities are not always healthy and therefore can't be associated with integration and growth - being a persnickety know it all, for instance.

I suppose that the interrelated nature of the 3 types in a 451 would emphasize and ingrain the pre-existing links to a greater degree - it could create a heightened 4w5. :shrug:

OrangeAppled
11-16-2011, 02:58 AM
Yes,you have a point but I am aware that my 1-like qualities are not always healthy and therefore can't be associated with integration and growth - being a persnickety know it all, for instance.

I suppose that the interrelated nature of the 3 types in a 451 would emphasize and ingrain the pre-existing links to a greater degree - it could create a heightened 4. :shrug:

Well, I've read you can integrate negative traits too! Or at least "average" traits.
That's what makes me think, "Hm, are these the same aspects of personality with a different name/explanation"?

Note this description of a 4 integrating average 1 traits (they call it "security" here, but other sources call it a form of integration). It's a perfectionist, critical attitude, aimed at themselves & others.


Security: (Four Goes to Average One)
With trusted intimates, or in situations in which Fours feel sure of themselves, they may risk being more openly controlling and critical of others. Their frustration with others and feeling of disappointment in how others are behaving (especially toward them) finally erupts. Fours can become impatient and critical, demanding that people meet their exacting standards, constantly pointing out how others have made errors. Nothing about the other person (whom they may have idealized and regarded as their longed for "rescuer") now satisfies them or gives them much hope or pleasure. Everything about the person and their situation becomes irritating and annoying and they can't seem to get the other person's faults out of their mind. Fours in this state may also compensate for their ragged emotions by driving themselves excessively, feeling that they are lazy and unproductive if they are not constantly working and improving.

OrangeAppled
11-16-2011, 02:58 AM
Yes,you have a point but I am aware that my 1-like qualities are not always healthy and therefore can't be associated with integration and growth - being a persnickety know it all, for instance.

I suppose that the interrelated nature of the 3 types in a 451 would emphasize and ingrain the pre-existing links to a greater degree - it could create a heightened 4. :shrug:

Well, I've read you can integrate negative traits too! Or at least "average" traits.
That's what makes me think, "Hm, are these the same aspects of personality with a different name/explanation"?

Note this description of a 4 integrating average 1 traits (they call it "security" here, but other sources call it a form of integration). It's a perfectionist, critical attitude, aimed at themselves & others.


Security: (Four Goes to Average One)
With trusted intimates, or in situations in which Fours feel sure of themselves, they may risk being more openly controlling and critical of others. Their frustration with others and feeling of disappointment in how others are behaving (especially toward them) finally erupts. Fours can become impatient and critical, demanding that people meet their exacting standards, constantly pointing out how others have made errors. Nothing about the other person (whom they may have idealized and regarded as their longed for "rescuer") now satisfies them or gives them much hope or pleasure. Everything about the person and their situation becomes irritating and annoying and they can't seem to get the other person's faults out of their mind. Fours in this state may also compensate for their ragged emotions by driving themselves excessively, feeling that they are lazy and unproductive if they are not constantly working and improving.

Southern Kross
11-16-2011, 03:09 AM
Well, I've read you can integrate negative traits too! Or at least "average" traits.
That's what makes me think, "Hm, are these the same aspects of personality with a different name/explanation"?

Note this description of a 4 integrating average 1 traits (they call it "security" here, but other sources call it a form of integration). It's a perfectionist, critical attitude, aimed at themselves & others.


Security: (Four Goes to Average One)
With trusted intimates, or in situations in which Fours feel sure of themselves, they may risk being more openly controlling and critical of others. Their frustration with others and feeling of disappointment in how others are behaving (especially toward them) finally erupts. Fours can become impatient and critical, demanding that people meet their exacting standards, constantly pointing out how others have made errors. Nothing about the other person (whom they may have idealized and regarded as their longed for "rescuer") now satisfies them or gives them much hope or pleasure. Everything about the person and their situation becomes irritating and annoying and they can't seem to get the other person's faults out of their mind. Fours in this state may also compensate for their ragged emotions by driving themselves excessively, feeling that they are lazy and unproductive if they are not constantly working and improving.

Oh god. That's me aged 14-18. :horor: Thank god that's over.

Hmmm, I don't know about tritype. Perhaps it's better to look at people with unusual combinations to see if it makes sense.

OrangeAppled
11-16-2011, 03:25 AM
^ I'm not discounting it, but I'm not totally sold either. I know the idea is that these subtypes describe nuances, so that a 4 still has the essence of a 4 & there is a notable similarity, even if hard to define perfectly in words. The slight differences are meant to make the system more reflective of reality, which is that personality is more like a scale, like hair color, without perfectly distinct categories, and yet, you can define basic categories still. The more specific you become though, the harder it can be to actually find your match or to label others; it's easy to say you're a brunette, but if there are 20 swatches of brown, then which one do you pick as the same color as your hair? Does it become a matter of semantics to say you have reddish-brown hair vs. auburn? That's what I'm wondering about tritype vs wings/growth directions - is this semantics?

21%
11-16-2011, 05:33 AM
Personally I like the wings/growth system better -- it seems to explain more for me. Tritypes seem... a bit random.

I tried reading the descriptions for 4-5-1 and 4-5-9 and I can't decide. They are an okay fit, but I don't relate strongly with either of them.

Such Irony
11-16-2011, 04:37 PM
I'm thinking 5-9-4 now. Except I'm not sure that I'm a triple withdrawn. I mean I can be pretty withdrawn, but a triple withdrawn? I don't know. I've also had 5-9-2 suggested on another forum but I'm having trouble seeing alot of 2 in myself.

The heart fix is the most confusing part of it for me.

Richardsen
11-16-2011, 05:56 PM
If I could be any other tritype, I'd be a 458. I really wish I had an eight gut fix. I think that's the thing that sucks about the one gut- I totally feel my anger, and there's so much energy there that I could use for something real, to help achieve the things I want to do-to hell with my super ego- but instead I just repress that energy and turn it against myself.

The 8 in yourself maybe make yourself more asertive...
But sometimes is really fucked up.... Specially with the 4 as a fix.
With the 1 you are ethical, righteous, and objective
With the 8 is all about the rage and powerness, along with the paranoid feeling to show your rage and sometimes you hurt a lot of people that you love and detach (5) and keep yourself in a self consciousnes that makes you feel the guilty and the victim... (4)

Im a 458 and yeah... The 8 helps me a lot to make myself strong in some ways, and to get what I want. But in my case my 4 and strong 5 makes me feel like a sullen boy with no need to conect with the world and with a desire/no capability to show any feeling of vulnerability (with the 8 and 5 is dificult) to make myself more tough and strong looking... But very often my core 4 wins over.

Turtledove
11-16-2011, 06:11 PM
4-6-9...but it seems like I couldn't find a 4-5-9 since I get a 4-5 balance at times...hm...

brainheart
11-16-2011, 06:57 PM
I'm still not entirely convinced of tri-type because I continue to wonder if it's just a different way of explaining the same traits/motivations that some other aspect of enneagram explains also. Maybe I think this because my wing & integration point (5 & 1) are also in my tri-type.... What if it's the same thing with different names?

And what if the 479 is so 9ish appearing because they are actually a 9 mistyped as a 4 (maybe because they are disintegrating reactive, anxious 6 traits or integrating 3 image motivations)?

I notice those who focus on tritype don't put as much stock into wings & integration/disintegration, discussing them far less & even sometimes dismissing their effects, and I wonder if that is why.... the theories possibly conflict a little, or both are not necessary because they overlap too much.

I wonder about all of this, too. I mean, I take the tritype test and it comes out 4w5/5w4/1w2. Sounds like a 4w5 to me. The fact that I've considered 471 because I see aspects of 7 at times- but sure as hell not full-blown seven, it comes in short bursts and leaves me exhausted- can be accounted for by my 5 wing (and also being a sexual variant).

To tack on to/reiterate what you say, I could see...

459= 9
451= 4w5
458= 5w4 or 8
461= 4w3 or 6
468= 6 or 8
469= 6 or 9
471= 4w3, 4w5 (avg to unhealthy), 7, 1
478= 7 or 8
479= 9 or 7

Just mulling it over, nothing close to definitive here...

animenagai
11-16-2011, 09:30 PM
Yeah, I really don't understand why you guys are so skeptical of tritypes. I say this because given the truth of the enneagram system, it seems obviously true that we have different preferences in each fix. I'm a 4w3 but that doesn't mean I don't think right, so how do I prefer to think? How do I act physically? I mean there are areas that the traditional enneagram theory simply doesn't cover. Granted, you may believe that your single digit type is ultimately what's going to describe you best and given the nature of the enneagram, that type is what's going to help you overcome your own problems. OK, fine, but why not just see tritypes as the icing on the cake then? For example, I'm a 479, my life's biggest problems personality wise root from seeking my identity - that is my core. However the 7 and the 9 help explain the other parts of my personality, and saying that I'm a 479 ultimately gives a fuller explanation of who I am than just saying I'm a 4. Maybe I just find tritypes more convincing because I'm a 4w3; meaning that both my type and my wing are in the image fix. It's easier for someone like a 4w5 to find that title useful, there's already a number in 2 different fixes (though that can be misleading of course). If your wing happens to be your second fix, you're super lucky. For a guy like me however, tritypes explain a lot. I doubt I can last a week in the weeping melancholy of a standard 4.

OrangeAppled
11-17-2011, 07:34 AM
Yeah, I really don't understand why you guys are so skeptical of tritypes. I say this because given the truth of the enneagram system, it seems obviously true that we have different preferences in each fix. I'm a 4w3 but that doesn't mean I don't think right, so how do I prefer to think? How do I act physically?

My understanding of enneagram is that is does not describe these at all. All of the types are defined by core motivations, which are emotional. The head triad is not about ways of thinking, but rather, about being fear/anxiety-driven, which influences how one thinks and feels. The heart triad is not about emotions, but rather being image/self-value-driven, which also influences how one thinks and feels. The gut triad is not about how you behave physically, but rather it's about being driven by anger/power issues.

An example of how your core type's motivations influences everything from thought to physical behavior is how the 4 has a tendency for intellectual interests, artistic snobbery, indulgence in sensual experiences, and using their physical image for self-expression. Their image drive affects how they think, feel, act and appear.


For example, I'm a 479, my life's biggest problems personality wise root from seeking my identity - that is my core. However the 7 and the 9 help explain the other parts of my personality, and saying that I'm a 479 ultimately gives a fuller explanation of who I am than just saying I'm a 4. Maybe I just find tritypes more convincing because I'm a 4w3; meaning that both my type and my wing are in the image fix. It's easier for someone like a 4w5 to find that title useful, there's already a number in 2 different fixes (though that can be misleading of course). If your wing happens to be your second fix, you're super lucky. For a guy like me however, tritypes explain a lot. I doubt I can last a week in the weeping melancholy of a standard 4.

I understand this argument, and I'm not discounting it, but it also doesn't explain away the possibility that it's simply different ways of describing the same traits. For instance, not to re-type you (as I don't know you), but what if instead of not being a standard melancholy 4w3, a person was really a 3w4, still in the image triad but more likely to suppress emotions to move towards image-goals, rather than lingering in emotions to amplify an identity rooted in them? That's just a hypothetical example of how there different ways of explaining personality traits in enneagram, and how it may be a matter of anything from wing influence, directions of growth, and even mistyping due to lookalike combinations. It should be noted that many enneagram theories note that types are influenced by BOTH wings, but that one tends to be stronger. So you have dimension as well....

animenagai
11-17-2011, 09:58 AM
Do we not have emotional attachments to different aspects of our personality? I don't really see how that would change much. I am emotionally attached to my image in a certain way, attached to my mind in another way and my body (or how I interact with the external world, how I do things) in another way. Still works doesn't it?

On the second point, I'm sure you're right that I can explain my tritype in terms of my type + wing, however, I think that's oversimplifying things. There are a million ways in which a 4w3 for example could be exemplified. The point of a tritype isn't necessarily to pick out the motivations, but to pick up on the specific ways in which your core type has developed.

brainheart
11-17-2011, 04:42 PM
My understanding of enneagram is that is does not describe these at all. All of the types are defined by core motivations, which are emotional. The head triad is not about ways of thinking, but rather, about being fear/anxiety-driven, which influences how one thinks and feels. The heart triad is not about emotions, but rather being image/self-value-driven, which also influences how one thinks and feels. The gut triad is not about how you behave physically, but rather it's about being driven by anger/power issues.

Precisely. I think naming the triads heart, head, gut was a bad move for this very reason. Maybe image, fear, anger instead?



The point of a tritype isn't necessarily to pick out the motivations, but to pick up on the specific ways in which your core type has developed.

If that's the case, I guess that's maybe why tritype descriptions remind me of MBTI descriptions. What I love about the enneagram is it gets to the root. I can look at my past actions, my behaviors, wonder what's holding my back, and it's there in the four (and to a lesser extent in my five wing). For me, the enneagram is about transformation. Tritype seems to me more about personality typing; it kind of gives me the feeling I got with figuring out I was an INFP, which was "Okay... now what do I do with this?"

Some people get into it and it seems to help them. I guess it doesn't work that way for me. I think the think that irks me about it is the Fauvres saying that those of the same tritype have more in common with each other than those of the same enneatype. This makes no sense to me and I have as of yet found this to be true (for me, anyway). There is something very intrinsic and primal I share with other fours and I feel it deeply.


Do we not have emotional attachments to different aspects of our personality? I don't really see how that would change much. I am emotionally attached to my image in a certain way, attached to my mind in another way and my body (or how I interact with the external world, how I do things) in another way. Still works doesn't it?

I feel like my mind and body are all part of the image I am emotionally attached to. By image, I mean identity. If you are part of the image triad, what is you is incredibly important.

OrangeAppled
11-18-2011, 02:15 AM
Do we not have emotional attachments to different aspects of our personality? I don't really see how that would change much. I am emotionally attached to my image in a certain way, attached to my mind in another way and my body (or how I interact with the external world, how I do things) in another way. Still works doesn't it?

Emotional attachment is not the same as a motivation, which goes beyond conscious identification with a trait or image.

I'm not really sure what point you're making with this or what this has to do with how enneagram works...


On the second point, I'm sure you're right that I can explain my tritype in terms of my type + wing, however, I think that's oversimplifying things. There are a million ways in which a 4w3 for example could be exemplified. The point of a tritype isn't necessarily to pick out the motivations, but to pick up on the specific ways in which your core type has developed.

Why is wings & direction of growth oversimplifying things? How is it more simple than tritype?

If the argument is that the tritype shows how the other triads influence the development of the core type, then it really does overlap with wings & direction of growth, as they do the very same thing.... The reason I find tritype interesting is the idea that we have a motivation from each triad (one image related, one fear, one anger), but even this conflicts a bit with the wing, which is something like a secondary motivation. The core type is the dominating motivation and the wing colors that motivation. The directions of growth bring in motivations which balance/distort the core one so as to grow/regress as a person. So both theories explain how other types' motivations influence your core type, just in different ways.

I can see this & tritype working in conjunction, but then it begins to seem overcomplicated to me so that identifying your type becomes a random grab bag where you can be any type you want, using wings, direction of growth & tritype to explain why you're not a "typical version" of your core type. This makes categorizing personality sort of pointless then.... Like I said before: if you're a 4, but you look/act like a 3 or a 9, then maybe you aren't a 4 at all! This is especially true as people can be poor about identifying their own emotional motivations or misunderstand what a type's motivation even is.

animenagai
11-18-2011, 11:25 PM
I can see this & tritype working in conjunction, but then it begins to seem overcomplicated to me so that identifying your type becomes a random grab bag where you can be any type you want, using wings, direction of growth & tritype to explain why you're not a "typical version" of your core type. This makes categorizing personality sort of pointless then.... Like I said before: if you're a 4, but you look/act like a 3 or a 9, then maybe you aren't a 4 at all! This is especially true as people can be poor about identifying their own emotional motivations or misunderstand what a type's motivation even is.

Let's focus on this, because it seems to be the fundamental difference of our stance. I do not believe in certain enneagram types having to look a certain way. If they do look a certain way, that image archetype does exist, it exists as a very general, flexible one. Let's just take the case of a 4, since we seem to share that type. We will share the same type of identity crisis the type involves. We want to be special, we want to achieve our unrealistic ideals, we fear mediocrity and we want to be ourselves. However how that sense of identity can unfold is multifaceted. You can't just say "well maybe he's not a type 4 at all", because of certain differences in demeanor. When someone tells you that this is the core part of their identity, is it not ignorant to say that they're wrong because it unfolds in a different way than somebody else with the same crisis? Where you see tritypes as being over-complicated, I see it as an extra descriptive tool.

Let me try and explain myself with an analogy here. Two football teams have a highly similar coaching philosophy and goals for the upcoming season. However, due to their different economic stances and slight differences in their front office, one has a very offensive squad, whereas the other one is very defensive. You can't then look at these squads and say "well, these teams obviously don't share the Belichick coaching tree" or "that team isn't like most of the other Belichick teams, so it must not be". Shouldn't the fan say something more like "it's interesting how the Belichick coaching philosophy developed with this team"or something like that? You're looking at the enneagram in too much of a behaviorist fashion. The behaviors can look very different with the core being the same.

OrangeAppled
11-19-2011, 12:18 AM
Let's focus on this, because it seems to be the fundamental difference of our stance. I do not believe in certain enneagram types having to look a certain way. If they do look a certain way, that image archetype does exist, it exists as a very general, flexible one. Let's just take the case of a 4, since we seem to share that type. We will share the same type of identity crisis the type involves. We want to be special, we want to achieve our unrealistic ideals, we fear mediocrity and we want to be ourselves. However how that sense of identity can unfold is multifaceted. You can't just say "well maybe he's not a type 4 at all", because of certain differences in demeanor. When someone tells you that this is the core part of their identity, is it not ignorant to say that they're wrong because it unfolds in a different way than somebody else with the same crisis? Where you see tritypes as being over-complicated, I see it as an extra descriptive tool.

Let me try and explain myself with an analogy here. Two football teams have a highly similar coaching philosophy and goals for the upcoming season. However, due to their different economic stances and slight differences in their front office, one has a very offensive squad, whereas the other one is very defensive. You can't then look at these squads and say "well, these teams obviously don't share the Belichick coaching tree" or "that team isn't like most of the other Belichick teams, so it must not be". Shouldn't the fan say something more like "it's interesting how the Belichick coaching philosophy developed with this team"or something like that? You're looking at the enneagram in too much of a behaviorist fashion. The behaviors can look very different with the core being the same.

When I say "look alike", I mean general personality, not specific behavior. Demeanor
goes beyond behavior. It's the visible personality that manifests those motivations. Behavior examples are not meant to be binding, but illustrative. I agree with the first bolded part, and that's a big part of what wings & growth can affect, but I think you're making it broad to the point where you can cherry pick any type you want, claim the motivation, and then claim you're just some massive exception when nothing about it describes your personality. The patterns of how types manifest are important & have been identified for this very reason. There have to be SOME parameters; the purpose is to classify people using defined categories.

So my opinion remains the same because this just conflated it with a different stance.

As for the second bolded part - no. One - people can be crap at typing themselves & others, especially when it comes to something like emotional motivations. Two - if their personality defies a type's definitive characteristics, and their demeanor doesn't manifest its basic motivations, then what is left for them to be categorized as that personality type? Their mere claim? The more likely explanation is they've mistyped.

I don't know anything about football or what Beliachick is, but it would be easy for anyone to deduce the motives behind differing methods & see the shared motivation. That's exactly the issue - when a personality does not trace back to the motivations of a type at all. If they consistently display a personality which signifies motivations in line with another type, then maybe they are that type. To make it more complicated than that strikes me as denial.

FYI, the 4 motivations you detailed aren't even unequivocally 4 motivations (which just goes to show it's easy for people to mix up types as they do appear to overlap, even motivation-wise). Fear of mediocrity is VERY 7, who are also described as being ideal-driven & a bit self-absorbed in a quest to become who/do what they want. The core of the 4 is shame, feeling defective, not a fear.

To further explain that point, consider this Misidentification description of 4s & 7s from The Essential Enneagram:


Types 4s & 8s: Romantic 4s & Epicurean 7s can be considered lookalike types because they are both intense and idealistic and want life to be adventuresome and highly stimulating. They both approach life by focusing on what they want, think, and feel. However, Epicures [7s] are the most upbeat and pleasure-seeking type, and they avoid pain and negative feelings wherever possible, whereas Romantics [4s] are just the opposite. They tend to become melancholy, to have deep feelings, and to accept pain as part of life.

freeeekyyy
11-19-2011, 12:34 AM
I've tested before as 5-8-2, and that's what my signature says, but after reading the description, I think I identify more with 5-2-8, and it's also more compatible with a 4 wing and sx instinctual variant, which are what I have.

animenagai
11-19-2011, 01:17 AM
Stuff

Given the function of the enneagram, it seems very odd to call one's proclaimed crisis just a 'mere claim'. The point of the enneagram is to identify certain core personality dilemmas/crises and to make one realise these things and overcome it. Given a certain amount of intelligence, self understanding and time spent thinking of these things, I find it hard for someone to not know their own problems. At the very least, you can't just call it 'a mere claim'. No, the subject themselves are the only ones with direct access to their mental states. Given this struggle between the subject's claim and behavioral aspects, I would still take the former any day of the week, if the subject is convinced that those are their dilemmas.

On the topic of tracing back one's motivations, I feel like we're talking passed each other. I never said that a 479 for example has motivations different to any 4. What I said was that the 4 unfolds in different ways, despite the motivations staying the same. So for example, the 7 and the 9 creates a sense of optimism and playfulness and so unlike other 4's, the 479 has less attachment to sadness. That sadness and shame is still there, but the optimism lifts them above that and provides hope.

OrangeAppled
11-19-2011, 02:08 AM
Given a certain amount of intelligence, self understanding and time spent thinking of these things, I find it hard for someone to not know their own problems.

Those are a lot of givens, and I don't think everyone lives up to them.

I don't use "claim" to mean a person means to deceive others or even themselves, but that they see themselves as a certain type without any way to support it, other than deciding this must be their motivation because they think they are that type. In other words, the type defines their motivation for them. A good example of this is when a person tests as a type, latches onto it, feels the motivation describes them well, then later learns more about other types & realizes a different motivation suits them better. That happens a LOT. A lot of people have trouble even defining their own motivation & many don't grasp what the motivations for each type really are to begin with. It's the exact same issue people have when deciding their MBTI type.


On the topic of tracing back one's motivations, I feel like we're talking passed each other. I never said that a 479 for example has motivations different to any 4. What I said was that the 4 unfolds in different ways, despite the motivations staying the same. So for example, the 7 and the 9 creates a sense of optimism and playfulness and so unlike other 4's, the 479 has less attachment to sadness. That sadness and shame is still there, but the optimism lifts them above that and provides hope.

But that's just it - that could be due to 1 integration or simply levels of health, not tritype. It could also be a wing issue - 4w3s are noted to be more driven to succeed & to be more sociable than 4w5s, which a person who wallows all the time will not be. (No one said typical 4s feel entirely hopeless anyway. 4s are described as pessimistic about the present, not the future.)

That's the main argument (not mistyping) - how does tritype really explain anything wings & directions of growth cannot? Is tritype just another way of describing what wings & integration/disintegration already describe?

animenagai
11-19-2011, 02:40 AM
On the first part, I'm sure that does happen a lot, but it's equally conditional that what you're describing is what happens. I can't speak for anyone else, but my identity with my type is basically the reverse of what you described. I latched on to the description of a 7, only to find later that the core motivations aren't ones I hold on to. What you described certainly happens, but that's different from someone who genuinely thought this out and identified dilemmas core to their personality, despite differences on the surface (I do realise that this can seem circular to you, so if you don't buy into it, just focus more on the next part).

On the second part, sure that can all be a 4 integrating to a 1, but that integration implies growth right, and the optimism explained can actually look very distant from a 1. If I understand it correctly, the 4 integrating into a 1 has a lot of practicality packed into it. it's about getting out of your head and expressing that creativity in real world situations. The problem here is that the fairy-ness of a 479 can almost be the opposite of that. They can be unhealthy in the sense that they are still living completely in their own fairy world (which isn't completely positive by the way, I just can't think of a better word to describe it with). What you get is an individual who displays only the optimism of the 1 (if that's even part of the integration) and still be completely lacking in health and growth.

AntiheroComplex
11-20-2011, 09:40 AM
I'm 1 > 4 > 7. Is it unusual to have both 1 and 7 in one's tritype? I feel like my being an INFJ makes it even weirder. Nonetheless, this tritype suits me very well. :yes:

brainheart
11-21-2011, 04:34 PM
On the second part, sure that can all be a 4 integrating to a 1, but that integration implies growth right, and the optimism explained can actually look very distant from a 1. If I understand it correctly, the 4 integrating into a 1 has a lot of practicality packed into it. it's about getting out of your head and expressing that creativity in real world situations. The problem here is that the fairy-ness of a 479 can almost be the opposite of that. They can be unhealthy in the sense that they are still living completely in their own fairy world (which isn't completely positive by the way, I just can't think of a better word to describe it with). What you get is an individual who displays only the optimism of the 1 (if that's even part of the integration) and still be completely lacking in health and growth.

So does a 479 not integrate to 1? Are they more unhealthy than other fours?

It seems to me that fours, inherently, have a bit of a dicey/immature relationship with one. For the most part one comes out in the security way orangeappled mentioned. It's only when you get to the healthier levels that a four integrates in the fashion of a healthy one.

animenagai
11-22-2011, 01:45 AM
So does a 479 not integrate to 1? Are they more unhealthy than other fours?

It seems to me that fours, inherently, have a bit of a dicey/immature relationship with one. For the most part one comes out in the security way orangeappled mentioned. It's only when you get to the healthier levels that a four integrates in the fashion of a healthy one.

Naa that's not the point. I'm saying 479's, the unhealthy ones, can have the traits I listed, but that doesn't mean that they're integrating into the 1 there. That's not to say that 479's can't integrate into 1 when they mature, like all 4's do. All I'm saying is that tritypes help explain this phenomena.

wildflower
11-29-2011, 11:41 PM
i'm either 4-5-9 or 4-5-1. can't quite decide which. i am not sure i want to be triple withdrawn. oy.

Tiltyred
12-02-2011, 02:42 AM
4-5-9, Triple Withdrawn, The Contemplative

Fits me to a T.

Thinkist
12-08-2011, 04:52 AM
9-5-3... almost 3x withdrawn (details in sig). One thing is for sure: I have absolutely no amount of 8 in me (I have seen this for myself on a very thorough Enneagram test).

Richardsen
12-08-2011, 06:42 AM
Now 5w4-4w3-8w9
Still a bit unsure... But fits well