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TaylorS
03-15-2008, 06:01 AM
I've been reading a lot on neuroscience and neuroanatomy lately and the 8 functions seem to be associated with particular regions of the brain.

Each cerebral hemisphere is divided in into 4 lobes; Frontal, Parietal, Temporal and Occipital. The frontal lobes are the home of the motor cortex, where voluntary movements are triggered. The parietal lobes are the home of the somatosensory (touch and body position) cortex, the temporal lobes are the home of the auditory (sound) cortex, and the occipital lobes are the home of the visual cortex; these are where sensory information is first processed. This suggests a basic split between action (T/F) in the front and perception (S/N) in the back.

In the areas not part of motor or sensory cortex ares the areas of association cortex, where sensory data is analyzed and compared with one's memories and factual knowledge and then manipulated and sent to the motor cortex. It is these association areas, IMO, in which where we can find the neurological correlations of Jung's functions. The association areas are the pre-frontal cortex (PFC), the parietal association cortex (PAC) and the temporal association cortex (TAC). The the pre-frontal cortex can be further divided into the dorsal-lateral (top) PFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorsolateral_prefrontal_cortex) and orbital-frontal (bottom) PFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbitofrontal_cortex).


PFC: Planning, self-control, manipulating mental images, motivation, short-term memory

PAC: analyzing incoming sensory information in terms of spatial relationships between entities in real or abstract space. (often called "where" processing)

TAC: analyzing incoming sensory information in relation to past experience, categories, and factual knowledge. (often called "what" processing)



Finally, there is an asymmetry in the function of the two hemispheres. The left hemisphere is more focused and literal while the right hemisphere more gestalt and broad. If you are shown a picture of a cow the left hemisphere would generate associations closed centered on the cow itself while the right hemisphere would generate associations of a more broad character, like drinking milk this morning, memories of growing up on a farm, etc. This suggests a dichotomy of F and N on the right and T and S on the left.



Thus:

Ti = Left Dorsal-Lateral PFC

Fi = Right Dorsal-Lateral PFC

Te = Left Orbital-Frontal PFC

Fe = Right Orbital-Frontal PFC

Si = Left TAC

Ni = Right TAC

Se = Left PAC

Ne = Right PAC

Seanan
03-15-2008, 06:09 AM
Fascinating... thanks.

Athenian200
03-15-2008, 06:58 AM
I typically test as a rather left-brained person. Do you think that perhaps I'm not really an NF, then? I do admit, the thing I find most confusing about people is when they process things in a diffuse, general way... especially if they hold me to a standard based on such a perception.

Is there more information about these areas of the brain available anywhere, out of curiosity?

TheSmox
03-15-2008, 08:10 AM
I don't have time to read through and recall my understandings on both just yet (well, to better recall the brain, ah!).

*subscribes so as not to Sigh while trying to find this Thread*

Splittet
03-15-2008, 10:44 AM
That's a very interesting perspective. It's great it is scientific and testable, and also it makes MBTI a lot easier to understand. I mean, there are so many definitions of certain functions that they are very hard to understand. In this perspective they are fairly easy to define, and there is less of that Jungian mysticism, that makes types feel more like horoscopes than science.

Mort Belfry
03-15-2008, 10:50 AM
Thanks TaylorS, I've been waiting for this.

mippus
03-15-2008, 10:56 AM
Very interesting.
Is this your own interpretation/theory?

tovlo
03-15-2008, 11:01 AM
Thus:

Ti = Left Dorsal-Lateral PFC

Fi = Right Dorsal-Lateral PFC

Te = Left Orbital-Frontal PFC

Fe = Right Orbital-Frontal PFC

Si = Left TAC

Ni = Right TAC

Se = Left PAC

Ne = Right PAC

Lenore Thomson also associates the functions with certain regions of the brain, but it differs from this breakdown. I recall she places the INFJ dom/aux pair of Ni & Fe as left-brain functions.

I will try to find her breakdown and sources to post here later.

Mort Belfry
03-15-2008, 11:10 AM
I think Lenore put all XXXJ functions as left brain and all XXXP functions as right brain, or the other way around.

But it's nice to actually hear about neuroscience and its relation.

Santtu
03-15-2008, 07:44 PM
This is interesting! It's more detailed than the Hermann Brain Dominance Indicator model, and your results about the main functions (S,N,T,F) are the same as suggested by the HBDI.

HBDI associates N- and S- like functions with limbic system, tho, but I guess that's just a matter of style. We could categorize someone being more or less influenced by the limbic system as opposed to the cortex, but the limbic system - as I've understood it - doesn't directly facilitate "thinking" in the traditional sense.

6sticks
03-15-2008, 08:07 PM
It would be interesting if neuroscientists found an actual correlation between areas of brain activity and MBTI type. I doubt that would happen though.

Eileen
03-16-2008, 12:38 AM
It would be interesting if neuroscientists found an actual correlation between areas of brain activity and MBTI type. I doubt that would happen though.


Yeah, I doubt it too.

I like the idea of the eight cognitive processes, but I doubt that they are going to neatly section off as described in the OP... and I'm not sure how testable this theory is because I am not sure there are truly specific behaviors that we can say are associated strongly with each process.

tovlo
03-16-2008, 08:12 AM
Lenore Thompson breaks down brain area and functions this way:

Front of left brain: Te/Fe

Front of right brain: Ne/Se

Back of left brain: Si/Ni

Back of right brain: Fi/Ti

Her source was brain diagrams contained in How to Choose Your Best Sport and Play It. (I personally would rather have seen a meatier source listed.)

According to Lenore, current type research indicates that introverted and extraverted versions of the same function activate opposite sides of the brain. (It is not documented what research this conclusion is sourced from, however.) Te and Fe activate more areas in the left brain, while Ti and Fi activate more areas in the right brain. Se and Ne activate more areas in the right brain, but Si and Ni activate more areas in the left brain.

Assuming her assertions regarding function activation in the brain are accurate, then her function breakdown classifying XXXJ's as predominately left-brained and XXXP's as predominately right-brained seems to have some validity.

Not having a clear understanding of brain physiology, I'm uncertain what brain areas are being classified as front vs. back, so it's hard to compare your breakdown vs. hers, but you seem to be breaking down judging functions into the front area of the brain and perceiving functions into the back area, while Lenore is breaking down extraverted functions into the front area of the brain and introverted functions into the back area. I did not find any justification in her writing for that breakdown.

I do wish I could look more closely at the research she refers to in order to understand specifically what parts of the brain are being activated and by what activities.

I wonder what you make of her breakdown and what can be discerned about the logic for that breakdown compared to yours?

tovlo
03-16-2008, 08:26 AM
I did find a little information online attempting to justify assigning extraverted functions to the front of the brain and introverted functions to the back of the brain.

At least there is research cited, but still mostly supposition, it seems.

BrainTypes.com - Brain Types & The Brain (http://www.braintypes.com/brain.htm)


Extraversion (E): activated principally in front of forebrain -- anterior to central sulcus

--personality—the prefrontal cortex is the most significant area for creating one’s outward “personality”.

--Expressing language through conversation/speech (activated by Brocas [left anterior forebrain]). In general, Extraverts speak more and louder than Introverts. (Nurturing, environment, and genetic variances also affect speech patterns; thus explaining most speech differences among Extraverts [and Introverts].)

A University of California medical school used PET scans to examine brain regions of people while speaking. They looked at the brain while they (1) made nonsense syllables, (2) recited the months of the year, and (3) recited a briefly memorized prose passage. While both the "mindless" recitation of the months and the prose passage used Wernicke's area (the top back part of the temporal lobe), ONLY the prose showed activity in Broca's area. The conclusion: rote memorized verbal tasks require little thought or sophisticated cortical activity. Bookheimer, S., et al. 2000. Neurology, Vol 55(8), 1151-1157.

--voluntary motor movements (activated by primary motor cortex—anterior to central sulcus). Moving the body is an Extraverted (energy-expending) function, activated by the motor cortex.

--high degree of “attention” to outside world (principally a function of the anterior forebrain—especially right superior frontal gyrus)

--expressing emotion (left anterior forebrain)

--dopamine (a neurotransmitter that says “do it” is primarily in anterior forebrain.

--cingulate gyrus—regarded as the volition and will center (located in anterior forebrain); it causes humans to act. In addition, Extraverts are innately designed to expend energy whereas Introverts conserve it.

--planning—an integral part of taking action and expending energy.

Planning involves maintaining one main goal while working on sub-goals for that main goal. This is apparently one of the unique human brain functions. The National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland has published findings that show that that particular task is performed in the most anterior part of the frontal lobes called the fronto- polar prefrontal cortex. Koechlin et. al, Nature 1999, vol 399(6732) 148-151.


Introversion (I): activated principally in back of brain—posterior to central sulcus

--understanding and comprehension of language (processed in left temporal lobe—Wernickes)

--5 senses (taking in world around self)

--touch and pressure (parietal lobe—which controls the primary sensory cortex.

Behind the primary sensory cortex is a large association area that controls fine sensation—weight, size, shape, etc.)

--smell and sound (temporal lobe)

--sight (occipital lobe)

--long-term memory—stored primarily posterior to central sulcus

--neuroscientists now suspect there are 4 separate memory systems in the brain (rather than one as long believed). Conscious memory of facts and events—hippocampus; associative learning (like Pavlovian conditioning)—cerebellum; emotional memories—amygdala; memories of learned skills—basal ganglia. These are posterior brain regions.

--In Alzheimer’s disease, long-term memory fades as the posterior brain cells die

--self awareness (parietal lobe)

--Introverts conserve energy whereas Extraverts expend it.

--reading (posterior region)

Dr. Kenneth Pugh, Psychiatrist and Medical Researcher at Yale, has been studying the neural pathways which are generated in good readers. When the brain is asked to go from the listening and speaking modes to the visual spatial, yet abstract production of reading, new relationships between regions in the cortex are formed. This is true for all written languages. Skilled readers have engineered neural networks, which take the visual sensory input from "eye to meaning" in about 150 milliseconds. This is done through the dominant path of the eye to three posterior gyrus (areas in the back half of the cortex). The lingual, fusiform and angular gyrus collaborate to convert letters into meaning.

nightning
03-16-2008, 05:25 PM
Call me bias if you so wish... but no, the brain is a lot more complex than that. It is my believe that yes probably personality (and if type truly exists) will be defined by patterns of brain activation. But those patterns will not be discrete areas of increase activity from large regions of the brain. It'll more resemble patch work activation of many different areas that can be variable across individuals. The division of these regions (I'm refering to something like subdomains of a magnet) varies from person. To get the average regions of people in general will likely give you a smear that will be completely meaningless as function regions overlaps so much.

Brain function is due to the integration of input from multiple regions of the brain. To separate parts of the brain as being responsible for this and that is like saying a person's voice is just making noises. That's not true at all. It neglects all the fine details. A person can sing, speak in different languages, imitate sounds, whistle etc. It is true that certain regions of the brain seems to be mostly involved for a particular task. But function overlaps along with other regions. Some of them nowhere near that first location. Going back to the magnet analogy... say the brain is divided into these subdomains of irregular shape and sizes. A particular "type" will have increase activation of some random pattern of subdomains... a little bit here and a little bit there that lights up on during an fMRI scan.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the individual regions that actually lights up in fMRI is a lot smaller than the variability that exists between individuals. Such that the summed average response in a population of even the same type gives you a nondescriptive blob.

In response to "Brain Types" I've posted this in INTPc a while back... enough said about my disagreement with the interpretation of scientific knowledge.
INTP Central - View Single Post - BrainTypes - Neidnagel (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=567690&postcount=4)

I tried staying out of this thread... know very well opinions like mine is not conducive to discovery of new ideas... but I can't help myself.

nemo
03-16-2008, 07:21 PM
nightning,

Have you ever read anything by Karl Pribram? I'd be interested in hearing what you think about his holonomic model of the brain.

Karl H. Pribram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_H._Pribram)
Holonomic brain theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holonomic_brain_model)
http://www.paricenter.com/library/papers/pribram02.php
Comparison between Karl Pribram's "Holographic Brain Theory" and ore conventional models of neuronal computation (http://www.acsa.net/bcngroup/jponkp/)

nightning
03-16-2008, 10:32 PM
Fuck! No this is the first time I've heard of him and his model... but it looks interesting. There are times when I wish my knowledge on mathematics is better. Fourier transform and waves... DAMN IT!

About his paper "Consciousness Reassessed", what he stated certainly can fit into my limited understanding on brain and cognition. I wish those diagrams would display though. Those broken image boxes makes me sad... My comprehension through pictures is so much better. :sad: Perhaps I can find some of his work from a library or something... More stuff on the to-do interest list. :doh: Thanks Nemo... (That was a sincere thank you with a sarcastic overtone just for teasing. :smooch: I seriously like this stuff... if only the process doesn't hurt my brain. Ah well, no pain no gain.)

Anyways, I haven't finished reading... but here's my incomplete personal model on how cognition works.

You start off with a simple circuit with an on-off switch. Input enters from one end and if a threshold is reached, it outputs a signal. A small network of these switches linked together forms a parallel circuit. This is the center responsible for say monitoring different wavelengths of light that hits one part of the retina of an eye. The frequency of the summed output signal indicates the intensity of light, while the spatial pattern of the signals indicates location of input. This signal is sent to another parallel circuit. For another round of processing. Note that every single circuit has its own on-off monitor switch. Nothing fancy, just like a fuse that turns itself off when it's not running on optimal conditions. So the whole system is a mixture of parallel circuits hooked up in a series with each other... for god knows how many layers.

Consciousness would be signals that continuously loops around this circuit. As long as impulses are being conducted we have memory. Both the spatial and temporal aspects of the impulses are necessary to encode for thoughts. I suppose you can convert that over to wave patterns... as Fourier transform states any shaped line can be represented by the summation of sine waves... I've never relate the on-off system of switches to waveforms until now though. :mellow:

Anyways, so the mind is like a weird computer with only RAM. No, that's not correct... consciousness is pattern of neural impulses within the brain. The physical and chemical structure of the neural network is the basis of personality/type... for it's that structure that gives you the probability of signal transduction that produce consciousness.

Oh, can you please explain to me how holography relates with wave patterns? In uhhhh analogies or at least simple mathematics that does not require number sets and calculus if possible.

Edit: I do agree with his belief that the study of cognition cannot be reduced to the bottom up approach of everything being nicely layered from simple to complex nor the top down approach (far too vague in my mind). Consciousness to me is relational. A pattern of brain activation, both temporal and spatial, that encodes thoughts rather than "x system on means one thing and y system on means another". There's simply not enough neurons in our brains to do that. Not even if each yes or no is represented by signal from a single synapse... (That idea, of individual thoughts being represented by a synapse, is in itself absurd.)

tovlo
03-17-2008, 08:28 AM
nightning,

I'm reading at the moment The Holographic Universe (http://www.amazon.com/Holographic-Universe-Michael-Talbot/dp/0060922583/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205741973&sr=8-1) by Michael Talbot.

It was suggested in another book I was reading as one of the better explanations of Holographic theory. I don't know if that's just so for those of us lacking a scientific background, but I have found it thus far a very readable exploration of this idea. Reviews seem to indicate the first portion of the book where he embarks on explanation of Pribram's and Bohm's ideas very solid. Any criticism seems to be centered on where he travels beyond that in the remainder of the book.

Thought I'd offer this to you or others in case there was interest.

nemo
03-17-2008, 12:01 PM
Oh, can you please explain to me how holography relates with wave patterns? In uhhhh analogies or at least simple mathematics that does not require number sets and calculus if possible.


Sure! :)

Images in holography are encoded as interference patterns.

To get an idea of how it works...

Image you're a little mouse in the corner of a swimming pool. You're sensitive enough that you can feel and measure the waves in the water, but you're totally blind and deaf.

Then several people jump into the pool at various locations. Using only the wave interference patterns you measure bobbing up and down in your little corner, you're able to completely reconstruct who jumped in the pool, where they did it, how much they weigh, and even the shape of their body, etc -- even though you can't see them or hear them.

That's basically how the wave patterns in Pribram's theory work. The information is encoded in the brain's wave interference patterns, not in any local unit of memory, although they may be locally reconstructed into intelligible information, like our mouse in the swimming pool.

His theory explains, among other things, how someone can lose an entire lobe of their brain but later regain the lost functionality in other parts of the remaining brain -- because the information is stored non-locally. If you break a holograph in two, the same thing happens: instead of the hologram not working, you get two whole (albeit a little fuzzier) holograms. The information is stored in the whole, not in any part.

Also, yes: I've read Talbot's book -- the first half is pretty good, but he does go off his rocker in the second half.

nightning
03-17-2008, 02:06 PM
nightning,

I'm reading at the moment The Holographic Universe (http://www.amazon.com/Holographic-Universe-Michael-Talbot/dp/0060922583/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1205741973&sr=8-1) by Michael Talbot.

It was suggested in another book I was reading as one of the better explanations of Holographic theory. I don't know if that's just so for those of us lacking a scientific background, but I have found it thus far a very readable exploration of this idea. Reviews seem to indicate the first portion of the book where he embarks on explanation of Pribram's and Bohm's ideas very solid. Any criticism seems to be centered on where he travels beyond that in the remainder of the book.

Thought I'd offer this to you or others in case there was interest.
Thank you Tovlo! I'll have to hunt that one out. :D


Sure! :)

Images in holography are encoded as interference patterns.

To get an idea of how it works...

Image you're a little mouse in the corner of a swimming pool. You're sensitive enough that you can feel and measure the waves in the water, but you're totally blind and deaf.

Then several people jump into the pool at various locations. Using only the wave interference patterns you measure bobbing up and down in your little corner, you're able to completely reconstruct who jumped in the pool, where they did it, how much they weigh, and even the shape of their body, etc -- even though you can't see them or hear them.

That's basically how the wave patterns in Pribram's theory work. The information is encoded in the brain's wave interference patterns, not in any local unit of memory, although they may be locally reconstructed into intelligible information, like our mouse in the swimming pool.

His theory explains, among other things, how someone can lose an entire lobe of their brain but later regain the lost functionality in other parts of the remaining brain -- because the information is stored non-locally. If you break a holograph in two, the same thing happens: instead of the hologram not working, you get two whole (albeit a little fuzzier) holograms. The information is stored in the whole, not in any part.

Also, yes: I've read Talbot's book -- the first half is pretty good, but he does go off his rocker in the second half.
Ah! Like x-ray crystallography. I can just imagine myself bobbing in the pool. :headphne:

Hmmmm so if you're going by that... then all signal input must occur over a broad distribution of receptors. Wait... or does it? No it does not! I guess the main problem with this model lies in how memory is encoded into waves and decoded back into information. The encoding part seems to be readily comprehended, a bunch of receptors at a baseline level of activation and input either elevates or suppresses the baseline. The problem is in how you decode interference patterns to get back information. I don't know enough mathematics nor computer programming to think. :sad:

the.blanket.on.top
10-01-2008, 12:31 AM
nightning,

Have you ever read anything by Karl Pribram? I'd be interested in hearing what you think about his holonomic model of the brain.

Karl H. Pribram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_H._Pribram)

Holonomic brain theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holonomic_brain_model)

PCNL Library - Consciousness Reassessed by Karl Pribram (http://www.paricenter.com/library/papers/pribram02.php)

Comparison between Karl Pribram's "Holographic Brain Theory" and ore conventional models of neuronal computation (http://www.acsa.net/bcngroup/jponkp/)



As metioned, Bohm believes that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something. In a holographic universe, even space and time could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and 3-dimensional space would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order. At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. Allowing, for the sake of the argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in the universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be -- every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from blue whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is."

Our uncanny ability to quickly retreive whatever information we need from the enermous store of our memories becomes more understandable if the brain functions according to holographic principles. If a friend asks you to tell him what comes to mind when he says the word "zebra," you do not have to clumsily sort back through some gigantic and cerebral alphabetic file to arrive at an answer. Instead, associations like "stripped," "horselike," and "animal native to Africa" all pop into your head instantly. Indeed, one of the most amazing things about the human thinking process is that every piece of information seems instantly cross-correlated with every other piece of information -- another feature intrinsic to the hologram. The storage of memory is not the only neurophysiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses (light frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on) into the concrete world of our perceptions. Encoding and decoding frequencies is precisely what a hologram does best. Just as a hologram functions as a sort of lens, a translating device able to convert an apparently meaningless blur of frequencies into a coherent image, Pribram believes the brain also comprises a lens and uses holographic principles to mathematically convert the frequencies it receives through the senses into the inner world of our perceptions.

But the most mind-boggling aspect of Pribram's holographic model of the brain is what happens when it is put together with Bohm's theory. For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality? Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion. We are really "receivers" floating through a kaleidoscopic sea of frequency, and what we extract from this sea and transmogrify into physical reality is but one channel from many extracted out of the superhologram. This striking new picture of reality, the synthesis of Bohm and Pribram's views, has come to be called the holographic paradigm. Some believe it may solve some mysteries that have never before been explainable by science and even establish the paranormal as a part of nature. In a universe in which individual brains are actually indivisible portions of the greater hologram and everything is interconnected, telepathy may merely be the accessing of the holographic level. It is obviously much easier to understand how information can travel from the mind of individual 'A' to that of individual 'B' at a far distance point and helps to understand a number of unsolved puzzles in psychology.

Apollanaut
10-02-2008, 12:48 AM
Check out this link for more on Lenore Thomson's mapping of type functions to different regions of the brain:

http://www.greatlakesapt.org/uploads/media/beebe1.PDF

tblood
10-02-2008, 02:28 AM
[...] If a friend asks you to tell him what comes to mind when he says the word "zebra," you do not have to clumsily sort back through some gigantic and cerebral alphabetic file to arrive at an answer. Instead, associations like "stripped," "horselike," and "animal native to Africa" all pop into your head instantly. Indeed, one of the most amazing things about the human thinking process is that every piece of information seems instantly cross-correlated with every other piece of information -- another feature intrinsic to the hologram. The storage of memory is not the only neurophysiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses (light frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on) into the concrete world of our perceptions. Encoding and decoding frequencies is precisely what a hologram does best. Just as a hologram functions as a sort of lens, a translating device able to convert an apparently meaningless blur of frequencies into a coherent image, Pribram believes the brain also comprises a lens and uses holographic principles to mathematically convert the frequencies it receives through the senses into the inner world of our perceptions.

But the most mind-boggling aspect of Pribram's holographic model of the brain is what happens when it is put together with Bohm's theory. For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality? Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion. We are really "receivers" floating through a kaleidoscopic sea of frequency, and what we extract from this sea and transmogrify into physical reality is but one channel from many extracted out of the superhologram. This striking new picture of reality, the synthesis of Bohm and Pribram's views, has come to be called the holographic paradigm. Some believe it may solve some mysteries that have never before been explainable by science and even establish the paranormal as a part of nature. In a universe in which individual brains are actually indivisible portions of the greater hologram and everything is interconnected, telepathy may merely be the accessing of the holographic level. It is obviously much easier to understand how information can travel from the mind of individual 'A' to that of individual 'B' at a far distance point and helps to understand a number of unsolved puzzles in psychology.



'ELF and Mind Control.'

"'ELF' stands for 'extremely long frequency' electromagnetic waves, from the very slow brain frequencies up to about 100 cycles per second.... But the 'Mind Control' label really upset Koslov. He ordered the SRI investigations for the Navy stopped, and canceled another $35,000 in Navy funds slated for more remote viewing work." Contrary to Koslov's attempt to kill the research, the Navy quietly continued to fork out $100,000 for a two-year project directed by a bionics specialist. The "remote viewing" team at SRI was really engaged in projecting words and images directly to the cranium. It was not a humanitarian pastime: the project was military and test subjects are subjected to a lifetime of EM torture plied with the same thorough disregard for human rights as the radiation tests conducted at the height of the Cold War. To be sure, the treatment subjects have received at the hands of their own government would be considered atrocities if practiced in wartime.

Mind control was also used in domestic covert operations designed to further the CIA's heady ambitions, and during the Vietnam War period SRI was a hive of covert political subterfuge. The Symbionese Liberation Army, like the People's Temple, was a creation of the CIA. The SLA had at its core a clique of black ex-convicts from Vacaville Prison. Donald DeFreeze, otherwise known as "Cinque," led the SLA. He was formerly an informant for the LAPD's Criminal Conspiracy Section and the director of Vacaville's Black Cultural Association (BCA), a covert mind control unit with funding from the CIA channeled through SRI. The Menlo Park behavior modification specialists experimented with psychoactive drugs administered to members of the BCA. Black prisoners were programmed to murder selected black leaders once on the outside. The CIA/SRI zombie killer hit list included Oakland school superintendent Dr. Marcus Foster, and Panthers Huey Newton and Bobby Seale, among others. DeFreeze stated that at Vacaville in 1971-72, he was the subject of a CIA mind control experiment. He described his incarceration on the prison's third floor, where he was corralled by CIA agents who drugged him and said he would become the leader of a radical movement and kidnap a wealthy person. After his escape from Vacaville (an exit door was left unlocked for him), that's exactly what he did.

EM mind control machines were championed at SRI by Dr. Karl Pribram, director of the Neurophychology Research Laboratory: "I certainly could educate a child by putting an electrode in the lateral hypothalmus and then selecting the situations at which I stimulate it. In this was I can grossly change his behavior." Psychology Today touted Pribram as "The Magellan of Brain Science." He obtained his B.S. and M.D. degrees at the University of Chicago, and at SRI studied how the brain processes and stores sensory imagery. He is credited with discovering that mental imaging bears a close resemblance to hologram projection (the basis for transmitting images to the brains of test subjects under the misnomer "remote viewing"?)

The SRI/SAIC psi experiments were supervised at Langley by John McMahon, second in command under William Casey, succeeding Bobby Ray Inman, the SAIC director. McMahon has, according to Philip Agee, the CIA whistle-blowing exile, an affinity for "technological exotics for CIA covert actions." He was recruited by the Agency after his graduation from Holy Cross College. He is a former director of the Technical Services Division, deputy director for Operations, and in 1982 McMahon was appointed deputy director of Central Intelligence. He left the Agency six years later to take the position of president of the Lockheed Missiles and Space Systems Group. In 1994 he moved on the Draper Laboratories. He is a director of the Defense Enterprise Fund and an adviser to congressional committees.

Many of the SRI "empaths" were mustered from L. Ron Hubbard's Church of Scientology, Harold Puthoff, the Institute's senior researcher, is a leading Scientologist. Two "remote viewers" from SRI have also held rank in the Church: Ingo Swann, a Class VII Operating Thetan, a founder of the Scientology Center in Los Angeles, and the late Pat Price. Puthoff and Targ's lab assistant was a Scientologist married to a minister of the church. When Swann joined SRI, he stated openly that fourteen "Clears" participated in the experiments, "more than I would suspect." At the time he denied CIA involvement, but now acknowledges, "it was rather common knowledge all along who the sponsor was, although in documents the identity of the Agency was concealed behind the sobriquet of 'an east-coast scientist.' The Agency's interest was quite extensive. A number of agents of the CIA came themselves ultimately to SRI to act as subjects in "remote viewing" experiments, as did some members of Congress."

- Alex Constantine
From "Virtual Government" Copyright 1996, Alex Constantine

MCF - Resources: CIA at Stanford (http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/alex-sri.htm)

typexperience
10-02-2008, 02:37 AM
Here is some current ongoing research:

Keys 2 Cognition - Cognitive Processes (http://www.keys2cognition.com/eeglab.htm)

Apollanaut
10-02-2008, 04:33 AM
'ELF and Mind Control.']

Fascinating stuff, tblood. I love a good conspiracy!

mlittrell
10-02-2008, 10:21 AM
i kinda push this on a lot of threads...a lot.

this is the work of Dr. Eric Braverman who wrote The Edge Effect. Check it out, its worth buying.
im seeing him in New York on saturday! woo!

the.blanket.on.top
10-02-2008, 05:24 PM
Here is some current ongoing research:

Keys 2 Cognition - Cognitive Processes (http://www.keys2cognition.com/eeglab.htm)



Complete bullshit! I bet 90% of these guys don't have the faintest idea what's going on with the ongoing projects and the like! Universities and research institutions pay a hell of a lot of people for doing nothing! Dude, totally wasted taxpayers' money (they are usually funded by the federal government)

wildcat
10-02-2008, 07:24 PM
I've been reading a lot on neuroscience and neuroanatomy lately and the 8 functions seem to be associated with particular regions of the brain.

Each cerebral hemisphere is divided in into 4 lobes; Frontal, Parietal, Temporal and Occipital. The frontal lobes are the home of the motor cortex, where voluntary movements are triggered. The parietal lobes are the home of the somatosensory (touch and body position) cortex, the temporal lobes are the home of the auditory (sound) cortex, and the occipital lobes are the home of the visual cortex; these are where sensory information is first processed. This suggests a basic split between action (T/F) in the front and perception (S/N) in the back.

In the areas not part of motor or sensory cortex ares the areas of association cortex, where sensory data is analyzed and compared with one's memories and factual knowledge and then manipulated and sent to the motor cortex. It is these association areas, IMO, in which where we can find the neurological correlations of Jung's functions. The association areas are the pre-frontal cortex (PFC), the parietal association cortex (PAC) and the temporal association cortex (TAC). The the pre-frontal cortex can be further divided into the dorsal-lateral (top) PFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorsolateral_prefrontal_cortex) and orbital-frontal (bottom) PFC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbitofrontal_cortex).


PFC: Planning, self-control, manipulating mental images, motivation, short-term memory

PAC: analyzing incoming sensory information in terms of spatial relationships between entities in real or abstract space. (often called "where" processing)

TAC: analyzing incoming sensory information in relation to past experience, categories, and factual knowledge. (often called "what" processing)



Finally, there is an asymmetry in the function of the two hemispheres. The left hemisphere is more focused and literal while the right hemisphere more gestalt and broad. If you are shown a picture of a cow the left hemisphere would generate associations closed centered on the cow itself while the right hemisphere would generate associations of a more broad character, like drinking milk this morning, memories of growing up on a farm, etc. This suggests a dichotomy of F and N on the right and T and S on the left.



Thus:

Ti = Left Dorsal-Lateral PFC

Fi = Right Dorsal-Lateral PFC

Te = Left Orbital-Frontal PFC

Fe = Right Orbital-Frontal PFC

Si = Left TAC

Ni = Right TAC

Se = Left PAC

Ne = Right PAC
Exactly. Congratulations. You have it.