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cfs1992
06-19-2010, 12:45 AM
Phantom: INFx
Christine Daae: IxFx
Raoul: ESxx
Madame Giry: ExFJ
Meg Giry: ISFP
La Carlotta: ExFP

Any guesses?

chihuahuasrluv
06-19-2010, 01:18 AM
Phantom: INFx
Christine Daae: IxFx
Raoul: ESxx
Madame Giry: ExFJ
Meg Giry: ISFP
La Carlotta: ExFP

Any guesses?

Christine Daae seems like an INFP type.

Raoul , an ESFJ ? If he's ESFJ he would be more compatible with Christine.
Though die hard Phantom/Christine shippers might say ESTJ for Raoul :newwink:

Phantom a INXJ. Parts of me says he's a Feeler but considering he's willing to murder or torture anyone who gets in his way makes wanna say T.

We are talking about the musical right? I've seen the movies only though.

cfs1992
06-19-2010, 01:29 AM
We can talk about both the musical and the book, the personality of the characters are the same, imo. :)

Yeah, the Phantom is a murderer, a cold one, I can say. But isn't all his crimes motivated by a burning passion than unemotional plans? He was very disturbed, what made him a psychopath with sick jealousy... INTJ can be considered due to the tertiary Fi, what can give him this passionate nature... but he's quite intense, isn't him?

chihuahuasrluv
06-19-2010, 01:49 AM
Yeah, the Phantom is a murderer, a cold one, I can say. But isn't all his crimes motivated by a burning passion than unemotional plans? He was very disturbed, what made him a psychopath with sick jealousy... INTJ can be considered due to the tertiary Fi, what can give him this passionate nature... but he's quite intense, isn't him?


Hence my confusion on his type :doh: :smile:

I almost said ISFP for Christine but Meg fits ISFP so much and Christine seems a bit more N. She has to face deeper stuff than Meg. The way she handles the Phantom is very much in the way a NF would. Even her songs seem NF.

cfs1992
06-19-2010, 02:16 AM
I almost said ISFP for Christine but Meg fits ISFP so much and Christine seems a bit more N. She has to face deeper stuff than Meg. The way she handles the Phantom is very much in the way a NF would. Even her songs seem NF.

I agree...:yes:

Harold Saxon
06-19-2010, 02:38 AM
Erik/The Phantom - mentally disturbed INFP (his F is clearly Fi, not Fe - he could be an INTJ with an overactive tertiary, but he also seems more Ne-Si than Ni-Se)
Christine - INFJ (Fe, not Fi, and she displays quite significant Ni in how she deals with the Phantom)
Raoul - ESFJ
Madame Giry - ESFJ
Meg - ISFP
Carlotta - ESFP

CuriousFeeling
06-19-2010, 02:43 AM
I think Christine's approach with the Phantom seems a bit more Fe, at least from what I've seen in the movie version. Big conflict between believing, or wanting to believe he's doing something good for her in achieving her full musical potential, and yet knowing/sensing he's obsessive about her. Regarding the Phantom as her Angel of Music from what she's heard of his singing seems Ni to me. Could be an INFJ with well developed Fi too. I'd say either INFP or INFJ for her.

Xenon
06-19-2010, 03:00 AM
I can't see Phantom as anything other than INFx, and I would think INFP. (I haven't read the book, so I'm basing this on the musical). These are lyrics from Music of the Night :


Close your eyes for your eyes will only tell the truth
And the truth isn`t what you want to see.
In the dark it is easy to pretend
that the truth is what it ought to be.

Doesn't sound like much of an NT. :alttongue: (And the song as a whole seems to drip with Fi).

The same actions can come from different motivations, and motivations tell you the most about people. Murderers aren't necessarily unfeeling psychopaths. He was a dreamer and he'd imagined a future for himself in which he'd have ideal love and create beautiful music, and seemed desperate to make his dream a reality and end his suffering.
His desperation got to the point where he was willing to harm anyone who stood in his way.

I'm thinking Phantom is INFP, Christine is IxFJ. Raoul...ESFJ seems to fit. The other characters aren't that developed in the musical, so I won't try to type them.

ThatGirl
06-19-2010, 03:23 AM
Phantom: INFx
Christine Daae: IxFx
Raoul: ESxx
Madame Giry: ExFJ
Meg Giry: ISFP
La Carlotta: ExFP

Any guesses?

Phantom: ENTP specially in the book. Dude created his whole underground labyrinth, and actually was fucked up by NOT being allowed around people. Despite this in his earlier days, wasn't he like a suave goon for hire?

Christine: INFJ

Raoul: ESTJ

The rest I could care less.

cfs1992
06-19-2010, 03:26 AM
The same actions can come from different motivations, and motivations tell you the most about people. Murderers aren't necessarily unfeeling psychopaths. He was a dreamer and he'd imagined a future for himself in which he'd have ideal love and create beautiful music, and seemed desperate to make his dream a reality and end his suffering.
His desperation got to the point where he was willing to harm anyone who stood in his way.

I'm thinking Phantom is INFP, Christine is IxFJ. Raoul...ESFJ seems to fit. The other characters aren't that developed in the musical, so I won't try to type them.

I agree with your point of view and I can see the Phantom as an INFP (with serious mental problems). Christine is a contradiction, she acts in many ways during the story. She displays Fe, Fi, Ni, Ne and Si, what can make her either an INFP, INFJ or ISFJ. When I watched the movie for the first time, I firstly thought ISFP, but then I realized that her Se isn't very developed. But I can't see her too much as an ISFJ, she's very, very dreamy... If she was an S, she would be more realistic about the situation (like Meg, for example... she thinks that Christine's going crazy and worries about her...). So I think INFx (INFP or INFJ with a good Si)...

ThatGirl
06-19-2010, 03:30 AM
I agree with your point of view and I can see the Phantom as an INFP (with serious mental problems). Christine is a contradiction, she acts in many ways during the story. She displays Fe, Fi, Ni, Ne and Si, what can make her either an INFP, INFJ or ISFJ. When I watched the movie for the first time, I firstly thought ISFP, but then I realized that her Se isn't very developed. But I can't see her too much as an ISFJ, she's very, very dreamy... If she was an S, she would be more realistic about the situation (like Meg, for example... she thinks that Christine's going crazy and worries about her...). So I think INFx (INFP or INFJ with a good Si)...

Her recognizing danger and empathizing, holding to her personal standard, and pursuing Raoul is very INFJ.

chihuahuasrluv
06-19-2010, 03:43 AM
Phantom: ENTP specially in the book. Dude created his whole underground labyrinth, and actually was fucked up by NOT being allowed around people. Despite this in his earlier days, wasn't he like a suave goon for hire?

Christine: INFJ

Raoul: ESTJ

The rest I could care less.

Non-musical Phantom is clearly an xNTP. It's the musical Phantom that gets a little blurry. Much more of a sadder back story so people would feel empathy.

I mean how can you sell disfigured goon & naive dreamy virgin ?

ThatGirl
06-19-2010, 03:47 AM
Talent and capability. He was her tutor.

Harold Saxon
06-19-2010, 03:58 AM
I disagree. Even outside of the musical, the Phantom strikes me as INFP. Note that in all versions of the Phantom, the Leroux novel included, he displays a very strong and prominent Fi, rather than the Fe that NTPs have (INTPs admittedly to a near-irrelevant degree). ThatGirl, what you described was largely Ne in action. Ne is the auxiliary function of INFPs, and is far from exclusive to ENTPs. As for "suave goon for hire," no, even then he was always a loner. Most of his social interaction was one-on-one rather than in large groups.

May I ask, where do you see any Ti in him? I see none at all in any version - rather, I see extremely powerful Fi with small bits of Te, fitting for an NFP rather than an NTP. Do note that F does not mean and has never meant "nice." I'm going to break Godwin's Law here, but as a clear example of this, Adolf Hitler was a rather blatant NFJ (INFJ by my reckoning, though there is a good argument to be made for ENFJ).

ThatGirl
06-19-2010, 04:27 AM
He wasn't a loner by choice, he was rejected from society, yet he still secured himself a place with in it rather than sinking to reclusion.

Harold Saxon
06-19-2010, 05:45 AM
He wasn't a loner by choice, he was rejected from society, yet he still secured himself a place with in it rather than sinking to reclusion.

Since when did introversion equate with reclusion? There is a marked difference. Introversion simply means not being energized by social interaction, but rather being drained by it. He is not shown to be energized by such, but rather is made nervous by it. His only significant interaction is with the Shah of Persia.

And again, you fail to provide any example of Ti. He consistently shows strong Fi in every depiction of him, something that the vast majority of ENTPs and INTPs show none of, but something that is the INFP dominant function. By contrast, he appears to show no Ti in any depiction, Ti being the INTP dominant function and the ENTP auxiliary one. This granted, NFP is far more likely than NTP, and INFP itself more likely than ENFP.

Mondo
06-19-2010, 02:28 PM
I saw Phantom of the Opera recently.
I think the Phantom is an INFJ-a reclusive and lovestruck micromanager.
He was a control freak in ways INFP's typically aren't but INFJ's are very much so.
If he was an Extravert, he wouldn't have been so clandestine. I'm willing to consider any of the INXX types though to be honest- but leaning more towards F and slightly towards J.

cfs1992
06-19-2010, 07:32 PM
I saw Phantom of the Opera recently.
I think the Phantom is an INFJ-a reclusive and lovestruck micromanager.
He was a control freak in ways INFP's typically aren't but INFJ's are very much so.
If he was an Extravert, he wouldn't have been so clandestine. I'm willing to consider any of the INXX types though to be honest- but leaning more towards F and slightly towards J.

Yes, he was a control freak, but I think it's a manifestation of a inferior Te. I just can't see Fe in his personality, he was very egocentric, IMO, he didn't seems to care about the happiness or welfare of others, but his own, what is a indicator of Fi. He wasn't the "good" INFP, but a psychopath one, what make him this possessive, overly passionate, obsessive and dangerous person.

dancingqueen16
04-21-2013, 09:13 PM
I still think the Phantom is an INTJ. He's very Ni. But he's mentally deranged, right? It's impossible to type him, then. He's filled with hate and animosity.
Christine is pretty much a stereotypical INFP, and Raoul is an ISFJ in the novel, but some sort of ESTP/ESTJ in the musical. He's made to look like a jerk who only cares about money and not Christine, while in the novel he's a shy and awkward girlish guy.

Sniffles
04-22-2013, 04:44 PM
If I had to render a guess, the Phantom is INTJ.

http://nighthawknews.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/lon-chaney-phantom.jpg
Must be that look in his eyes.

Kayness
04-22-2013, 07:08 PM
You know, it makes me sad to say this because the Phantom of the Opera is my absolute favourite musical ever; I was so obsessed and crazy about it as a tween/teenager (for 5 straight years I listened to the CD to the whole musical and a few years later when I finally got to watch it live I could sing along to everything because I knew it all by heart), but now that I'm looking at the story as an older person(of both the book and the musical) i see it very differently...and not in a good way.

Christine is one very credulous girl and it never seems to occur to her how her dead father could simply exist and talk to her in a form of a ghost. She's extremely naive and manipulable, but that can be due to her being very young and desperate for a source of security, stability, love and adult guidance. The Phantom recognized this need in her and wasted no time grabbing that opportunity and manipulating the situation for his own advantage. These people are put in extraordinary circumstances, so it's really hard to just pinpoint and say, "they do this under this situation, which shows this cognitive function, therefore they're this XXXX type." I think where I'm trying to go with this is that there are a lot more variables than CF or type; ten plus years ago when I was still a tween obsessing over this story, I would get all dreamy and put myself in the place of Christine and fantasize about what it's like to be her and I would feel so bad for the Phantom that I would probably choose him over Raoul, but now that I'm an adult I can see what a right hot mess this situation is and I wouldn't touch it with a ten metre pole, but I've always been the same MBTI type.

Btw they're coming to Singapore in June and I totes got the tickets to go see the show! *excited*