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findthejake

11-06-2007, 10:08 PM

Well I've got quite a few posts on here now, so ya'll should have a fairly ok idea of my thoughts.

I never considered ENTP before today but when the second person mentioned that I sounded more ENTP than ENFP, I went and looked it up and well yeah... I fit it too. So I went back to mypersonality.info and looked at my percentages there as well as a few of the other sites and tests that I've taken and I am 55% F and 45% T in almost all of them. I never looked at the percentages before.
Which works because unlike my enfp brethren, I like to debate and often take the devils advocate side. When I was a christian it got me kicked out of several bible studies because I would have the whole room upset and crying, they all still loved me and wanted to hang out all the time but they didn't want me questioning their faith ever. It upset them more because I was essentially bred to be a preacher/missionary so I know the bible better than most pastors. ANYWAY...

So what does this make me :cry: ? Can I not hang out with my enfp friends in the NF forum :cry: ? But I'm not really ENTP either :cry: !?!

:alttongue:
How many of you ride the lines? And where do I go from here? Do I just accept that I fit both types? Does it make me more balanced or something?

findthejake

11-06-2007, 10:12 PM

I should add that I rarely argue anymore. I just express my opinion and leave it at that. But back in highschool... yeah I considered being a lawyer because I never lost an argument. Still I guess that comes out if someone starts with me but it's pretty buried now.

Randomnity

11-06-2007, 10:13 PM

lol....you seem pretty clearly enfp. I know ENFPs who are more ENTP-like than you. From the very limited number of your posts I've seen, anyway.

You can be on the line though, yes. I'm really close to the S-N line. It's probably more common to be fairly close to the line than it is to be an extreme of a trait.

Magic Poriferan

11-06-2007, 10:18 PM

ENTPs are so much more Machiavelian than ENFPs.
There's something kind of caustic about them.
You don't really seem like an ENTP to me, from what little I've gathered.

Obviously the types are similar, and they're both wacky, but the ENTPs seem much more mad-scientist-esque, if you will.

Jennifer

11-06-2007, 10:29 PM

...Which works because unlike my enfp brethren, I like to debate and often take the devils advocate side. When I was a christian it got me kicked out of several bible studies because I would have the whole room upset and crying, they all still loved me and wanted to hang out all the time but they didn't want me questioning their faith ever....

Oh dear.

Those situations are so touchy. On one hand, you want people comfortable enough to challenge their own beliefs and ask hard questions; a faith that cannot handle that is not much of a faith. On the other hand, if you hit people too hard or too soon and take them beyond what they can handle at the time, then it can have a very detrimental effect.

Well, there are other male ENFPs around, and not all are mushy-gushy. Talk to Lateralus (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/members/lateralus.html), for example. He's quite argumentative... and in generally good ways. ;)

targo

11-06-2007, 10:34 PM

Which works because unlike my enfp brethren, I like to debate and often take the devils advocate side.

this is so clearly entp.....

now you must understand that I am enfp..... and I am married to an entp.....

you do very much scream the entp at times :smooch:

there is just something about you... were you ever made fun of for your feelings as a child? Do you think you could be masking your 'F' with 't' for acceptance? I mean enfp's mask at the best of times and entp's are who they are when they are all the time..... this is me if you don't like it there's the door I don't care sort ...... it's true not only is my husband one, who's motto has always been I gotta be me..... my not quite 5yr old is clearly entp..... extremely his father.

he loves to be the center of attention and look at me sort, loves a good challenge, a good game a good risk and is an amazing debater..... he can debate me to tears and make me change my mind b/c I can not deal with this over powering almost bullying attitude simply b/c I can't stand it

substitute

11-06-2007, 10:36 PM

Well, there are other male ENFPs around, and not all are mushy-gushy. Talk to Lateralus (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/members/lateralus.html), for example. He's quite argumentative... and in generally good ways. ;)

So's my brother. My mother says he can argue the hind legs off a donkey. Back in the good old days, such as they were, she used to say that me and my brother together were like a walking persuasion team, and nobody could resist the power of our persuasion skills combined. She said we mounted a pincer attack, with him coming at them with morals and feelings on one side, and me with reason and logic on the other.

I'm not sure jake - it's hard to tell because of the gender bias in T/F areas... I'd say many male ENFP's would probably behave in a more T-type way than their female counterparts, simply because of social pressure/training. Also, female ENFP's might have been conditioned out of some of the natural traits of Ne, also due to social pressure meaning they can't get away with things like devil's advocate arguing type stuff without coming off bitchy, pushy, and all those other double standard type things women get called when they behave the same way as men! (I should know)

Obviously you know not to use me as an example cos I'm about as ENTP-ish lately as... well, as an ISFJ! I'm in a state of flux and therefore most of what I say is hogwash! :doh:

findthejake

11-07-2007, 02:45 AM

Hmmmmm. Interesting stuff. I think I am going to have to go with just being in the middle though leaning a bit towards ENFP just cause I care about other peoples feelings a bit :P

That being said I am pretty much the same in all circumstances, I don't find myself changing much for anyone. The jake is the jake is the jake, savvy?

digesthisickness

11-07-2007, 02:53 AM

if that's you in your avatar, then you're an ENFP.

findthejake

11-07-2007, 03:26 AM

is that not you in yours?

targo

11-07-2007, 03:37 AM

findthejake

11-07-2007, 03:43 AM

Close?

targo

11-07-2007, 03:56 AM

she looks pretty close to that and I tell you her personality/attitude is completely that hot!

hotmale

11-07-2007, 04:00 AM

she looks pretty close to that and I tell you her personality/attitude is completely that hot!

Really? Give us some more details. I always thought that avatar was a random stock image to fuel men's imaginations.

findthejake

11-07-2007, 04:02 AM

here ya'll have been holding out on me... what the deal!

targo

11-07-2007, 04:04 AM

I took the time to get to know her.....

you boys are on your own

hotmale

11-07-2007, 04:11 AM

I took the time to get to know her.....

you boys are on your own

Know her in what way?

targo

11-07-2007, 04:16 AM

Know her in what way?

as a friend.....

I am a married woman with kids.

hotmale

11-07-2007, 04:22 AM

as a friend.....

I am a married woman with kids.

What kind of friend? Imaginary or real?

targo

11-07-2007, 04:27 AM

What kind of friend? Imaginary or real?

internet

hotmale

11-07-2007, 04:41 AM

internet

By chat, email correspondence or discussion group sites?

digesthisickness

11-07-2007, 05:01 AM

why do you care?

booyalab

11-07-2007, 05:18 AM

findthejake- In my experience, ENFP guys seem more T-ish than their female counterparts but are still distinctly NF more than NT. You don't give off an NT vibe at all, fwiw.

if that's you in your avatar, then you're an ENFP.
exactly what i was thinking

digesthisickness

11-07-2007, 05:21 AM

findthejake- In my experience, ENFP guys seem more T-ish than their female counterparts but are still distinctly NF more than NT. You don't give off an NT vibe at all, fwiw.

exactly what i was thinking

findthejake

11-07-2007, 06:09 AM

thanks kids! I do so enjoy being quirky!

CzeCze

11-07-2007, 08:25 AM

I'm entering into this discussion late, but I'm also an ENf/tP. I started out ENTP, am now ENFP and have been for some years. The T/F is almost a 50/50split similar to yours and the last test I took I was ENTP again.

Like you, in highschool I also played devil's advocate and loved debating and would do it with teachers as well as students. I was known for "thinking could out argue anyone" and other students would sometimes ask me to argue with the teacher about assignments or tests (basically to get out of them or get an extra point about something). Perhaps it's our borderline T that gives us that? Law student friends and those that deal with law have told me I 'think and talk' like a lawyer at least when it comes to covering my ass and I should consider law school.

I have to say though, I was surprised at how soft and huggy and non-assertive ENFPs on this forum seemed...I had no idea we were this easygoing and sappy! :tongue: Aw, you know I love you...which is to say I love me...:smile: (is this ENFP enough for you?) Though I take it with a grain of salt and understand how a forum can be a much welcomed place to unload and commiserate --truthfully, some ENFP comments did make me question the validity of my type...

Maybe I wish I were tougher than I am? :azdaja:

But when it comes down to it no matter how much people tell me I'm a 'nontraditional female' (opinionated, bossy, assertive, direct, etc.) or how strong I think my 'T' may be getting, at the end of the day I just really want people to [I]like me and for everyone to get along and be the best they can be and everyone to be happy and reach their dreams.... and be entertained and warm and fuzzy!' etc. etc. etc. DEAR LORD. Even I am aware how sappy this sounds. :yes: And I like puppies and babies???? :yim_rolling_on_the_

Anyhow Jake, I think you get my drift. You may have a strong T or even a competing T to your F, but if your gut directive is to care about how people *feel* and you always want to be sensitive to feelings and warm fuzzies :wub:, you are probably predominantly ENFP. Also, at the end of the day if you are able to let things go even though you know you didn't get quite your fair share or you gave someone too many free passes or someone took advantage of your kindness just a tiny bit -- but you don't care and are more just very relieved and relaxed and happy that everything is over and relationships are harmonious and you breathe a sigh of relief -- you are probably an F.

Also, if you know any ENFPs or ENTPs IRL to compare yourself to, I think that's the most helpful. One thing that definitely colors my self-interpretation is that while I did NOT identify with either the 1 ENFP or 1 ENTP (also women) that I have met -- the ENTP annoyed the shit out of me. It was like she was a child acting out for attention and acted like she was either in competition with me or actively trying to embarass me in public. :duel: And I really did not want to aspire to her personality...(unless it's natural for ENTPs do dislike one another?) The ENFP? Even though we'll never be friends I can get along with her much better and I can see why she is a well-liked person.

cascadeco

11-07-2007, 01:04 PM

I know a male ENFP who got a degree in electrical engineering, he's been doing the corporate thing for a while, but has always been pulled in a totally different direction, to be a teacher....and he's finally taking the plunge and actually quit the corporate job to do what his heart's been telling him to do for a while...

Anyway, he's got the intellectual side (obviously has kinda an NT thing going what with the previous electrical engineering career), loves to read all kinds of stuff, is quite the debater when it comes to any topic he's really passionate about (which can be quite a lot..and usually revolves around topics like education, religion, 'big' topics like that).....but he's *definitely* an ENFP. He's a softie. ;-P

Oh, the debating thing...the ENFP female I know will also talk up a storm on anything she's passionate about or has an opinion on - which, can be a lot. :-)

The_Liquid_Laser

11-08-2007, 02:15 AM

I'm very close on the T/F scale, and in some ways I am more like an ENFP, but overall I consider myself ENTP. I use my T more often than F, but I tend to favor F on important decisions. So sometimes I test as an F depending on if the test questions talk about typical behavior, or what you consider most important.

There are other reasons why I think I'm more T than F. I have little trouble accepting criticism and actually welcome constructive criticism. I don't mind hurting the feelings of others especially if I think it will do them good overall. Also while I want people to like me, the behavior I end up projecting comes across more as "I don't care what you think". Overall though I use T more often and I think it is frequency that determines whether you are T or F, even though on important decisions I tend to favor F.

brazz

11-08-2007, 02:28 AM

I just noticed that I'm 60/40 with F/T-ness, which would explain why I like to argue and debate. I felt like I wasn't as "mushy" as others (haha babies scare me), but I definitely do care a lot about others' feelings and beliefs. It wasn't exstensive enough for me to doubt my ENFPness. I just wondered why I didn't quite fit the dislike of debate mold.

targo

11-08-2007, 02:35 AM

alcea rosea

11-14-2007, 08:27 AM

sakuraba

12-22-2007, 12:38 AM

I would say if there's any question about it, you're probably ENFP.

NT's usually seem to just know when theyre NT. We're so weird and detached from the normal folks, and from a young age, there's never any question really.

There's times when I thought maybe I was an NF of some sort...maybe for a few seconds. but then Im like Naaaahhh no way.

sandwich

12-22-2007, 12:53 AM

thanks kids! I do so enjoy being quirky!

That sounds like an ENFP.

Ezra

12-22-2007, 01:13 PM

It could just be that you're balanced. I'm pretty balanced in both E/I and S/N. That is to say that I've got ESTJ, ENTJ, INTJ and ISTJ on tests before. The only thing that's firm is TJ, although I've had ESTP, ENTP and even ENFP (the first time I took it). Just take it by the mean; the average; whatever. So do a variety of tests many times over, and if you get ENTP more, you're that. If you get ENFP more, you're that.

"?"

12-23-2007, 04:53 PM