NT Operating System choice [Archive]

simulatedworld

06-02-2009, 07:10 PM

I was raised on Windows but I'm starting to really appreciate Macs a lot. Most of my friends are using them now, and I work in music, so they're pretty much ubiquitous in local studios and such now. (Garage Band is amazing on its own, not to mention Pro Tools, Logic, etc.)

I still have XP on my laptop at home, and have recently been trying to get it to communicate with my brother's Vista laptop, with mixed results. Suffice it to say, Vista blows and I like the direction Apple is heading a lot more (though I haven't bought any of their i-gadgets. Say, do any other ENTPs get slightly nonplussed when new technology comes out which renders some system or other that we feel clever about having invented obsolete, and then kind of subconsciously refuse to make the effort to use it?...But then later try it and love it half the time?) /Ne rant

I've never really used Linux or any other OSs, but I have a couple INTP friends who do. They say it's the shit, but I don't really use a computer for enough different things anymore to really consider looking into it worth the effort.

entropie

06-02-2009, 07:12 PM

Since Vista fucked up my C Path directories to the compiler, I am waiting for win 7 to fix that error.

Athenian200

06-02-2009, 07:15 PM

Windows NT is fairly outdated. Newer versions of Windows such as Vista are based on Windows NT rather than the Windows 9x codebase.

You'd seriously be better off using some version of Linux, Windows XP, or Windows Vista, if your computer is at all modern.

EDIT: Nevermind... I was thinking about the wrong kind of NT. :doh:

simulatedworld

06-02-2009, 07:16 PM

lol Windows NT users, plz upgrade to Windows SP, kthx.

--microsoftz

entropie

06-02-2009, 07:18 PM

You'd seriously be better off using some version of Linux, Windows XP, or Windows Vista, if your computer is at all modern.

My graphics adapter even needs to be plugged in directly into the power supply. Thats supposed to make me SP in a nutshell ?! :D

ptgatsby

06-02-2009, 07:30 PM

I'm running 5 computers at home. 3 are windows xp pro, 1 is vista, 1 is ubuntu.

I'm likely to retask the vista to ubuntu once I am able to transfer the ~1tb of information I have on it to the network (they tend to run only .5tb so each). It's a media player, but I've heard of some pretty bad issues with the nvidia drivers for my card (which escapes me ATM - 8800GTX, I think. That was a while back though. Its' connected to my HD TV, and since I stream 1080 to it, I need to be sure that mplayer/drivers can handle the load. It's rough enough inside windows already with VLC. The other ubuntu computer just got wiped - it's going to be a development platform for a series of projects, I think. It's underpowered for much else, but I want to work through some custom home automation electronics, as well as a wii project (which Microsoft just blew out of the water at E3, but whatever, proof of concept first). The two XPs are mostly for playing games, running photoshop and cad programs... and schoolwork, of course. I'm not happy with them because I can't find a good way to run chron jobs to backup to my external hardrives (which won't work with my old ubuntu box - no USB 2.0, should work when I get my media player going).

Oh... Right... NTs. Nevermind.

nucleaReligion

06-02-2009, 09:00 PM

lol no worries if you aren't an NT...

I built my latest computer (which I have to admit, the whole process was fun). It runs Vista, to which I like for right now, looking forward to Windows 7.

I've ran Linux with distros being Ubuntu, Slackware, Arch, Mandrivia, Xandros.

I was interested in what NT's had for an operating system, because ENTP's are classified as nonconformists, and I wanted to see what they used, lol. But the other replies are informative as well.

Synarch

06-02-2009, 09:01 PM

Mac with VMWare and Windows XP and Ubuntu!

entropie

06-02-2009, 09:02 PM

To me to have a different operating system is too nerdy. I think most of all ENTPs are very pragmatic.

But I could be totally wrong too.

thisGuy

06-02-2009, 09:14 PM

mac at home, windows at work

using other OS is too much work but i did do dual boot mac with windows just to see if i could...and i did, without using bootcamp

we dont like to have our life bogged down by stupid details like having three separate windowing systems for your favourite unix flavor...having to bypass 20 different passwords to go surf porn give me no pleasure at all...making a program to ask YOU to enter your password 20 times does

Cady

06-02-2009, 09:34 PM

I can't stand Vista. It makes me want to pick up my entire computer and throw it at a wall. "You require authorization to edit the C: drive"

...... BUT IM THE GD ADMINISTRATOR @#($@#$

My Mac and me get along beautifully as long as I'm not gaming...

Aderack

06-02-2009, 10:27 PM

In theory I kind of prefer a command line. Path of least resistance, though, is WinXP or 2k

SmileyMan

06-02-2009, 10:41 PM

I can't stand Vista. It makes me want to pick up my entire computer and throw it at a wall. "You require authorization to edit the C: drive"

...... BUT IM THE GD ADMINISTRATOR @#($@#$

You are aware of the fact that you can turn off those messages, right?

Feops

06-02-2009, 10:58 PM

I've used WinXP for a long time and have little motivation to switch to Vista.

Macs look neat but they're pricy. Linux or whatever is well outside my time-to-benefit ratio.

entropie

06-03-2009, 12:38 AM

I am astounded that noone has made a medical joke yet :D

Cady

06-03-2009, 02:23 AM

You are aware of the fact that you can turn off those messages, right?

Vaguely.

But I really shouldn't have too :|

simulatedworld

06-03-2009, 02:59 AM

To me to have a different operating system is too nerdy. I think most of all ENTPs are very pragmatic.

But I could be totally wrong too.

lol. No. ENTPs are space cadets. Aux Ti makes them a little less whimsical than their ENFP cousins, but overall being on constant make-abstract-connections-and-spew-ideas mode makes them quite impractical from the perspective of the truly practical types...I'd say ISTP is probably the most pragmatic, personally.

jenocyde

06-03-2009, 03:28 AM

I've been a mac user for ever. Right after our C64 and C128, it was Apple II and then Macintosh, so I guess about 20 years or so? I've used PCs at desk jobs in my life but I've never owned one and never will.

thisGuy

06-03-2009, 03:30 AM

wow! all entps here are mac users? facking wierrrrd

simulatedworld

06-03-2009, 06:50 AM

wow! all entps here are mac users? facking wierrrrd

I don't think I've seen any of your posts before, but...

Are you planning an epic duel to the death with ThatGirl?

VagrantFarce

06-03-2009, 08:15 AM

Currenty using the Windows 7 Release Candidate, and I have such a raging hard-on for it.

macs are lame and so r u

/runs

Samvega

06-03-2009, 09:22 AM

Mac on two systems though I have used at least a dozen different linux distros with Debian always being on my main computer.

ajblaise

06-03-2009, 09:41 AM

Windows user. I'm not impressed with Vista, but hopefully Windows 7 will be better.

Macs are overpriced. True NT ballerz have custom PCs.

Fluffywolf

06-03-2009, 12:06 PM

Windows FTW. Works super great for me.

Osses I've used in this order.
Older versions of Dos (First I can remember is 3.0, not sure if I had an earlier version of Dos.)
Dos 6.22
Windows 3.11
Windows 95 (Well, it looked way cool, but it was a pile of unstable shit.)
Windows 98 (Worked fairly stable for me, though needed the occasional re-install.)
Windows ME (Lol die, should never have been released, had it for like a week.)
Windows 2000 (Worked really well. It's still running one of my servers.)
Windows XP 32-bit (Never had any problems.)
Windows Vista 64-bit (Super fast, works like a charm, best OS ever. Although I toyed around a bit with the registery to get it working precisely the way I want it too.)

I don't really see why people keep running into problems with Windows. I think it depends more on the user than on the software. :P

LucrativeSid

06-03-2009, 12:26 PM

I use Windows XP, but I've never tried anything else. My computer is old and I don't use it for anything complicated. I just write, surf the web, and talk to people.

CJ99

06-03-2009, 01:11 PM

I always had windows on the familly PC but when it was broke my dad brought a mac mini and its great. The only thing i don't like is that when it occasionaly freezes (much less often than windows OS and RM pcs) it is hard to fix due to the lack of a restart button. Its a case of wait or pull out the plug.

Stimworld you know where i could get a guide to using garageband cause i have it but i don't have a clue how to use it.

jenocyde

06-03-2009, 01:28 PM

spirilis

06-03-2009, 02:45 PM

Linux on custom PCs & servers, save my work laptop (a brand new HP EliteBook 8530w -- badass machine!).

I have an external SATA dock in my primary workstation and one of my hard drives I have laying around has Windows XP on it. Oh yeah, I have a WinXP virtual machine on my main server downstairs too. That's about it.

No Mac HW in the house.

Fluffywolf

06-03-2009, 02:53 PM

cj - you can restart with keystrokes. but if you reset with a PC, don't you still have to wait?
also, very basic instructions to get you started:Using GarageBand - A Tutorial on Making Music in GarageBand - Garage Band Help (http://homerecording.about.com/od/garagebandtutorials/ss/getting_started.htm)
but if you need more in depth info, let me know.

fluff - because of the "viruses", for one... (I still think these viruses are created by the anti-virus software companies, but I'll leave that to another day.) I've never had a virus on my mac until I got one that ran windows in parallel. I had it for a week, got the virus and then took it back. Never again. And so many steps are needed to install/uninstall or do anything. windows = blah.

What are those virusses you mention. The last time I had a problematic virus was the Jesus virus in Dos time. My computer is fairly impenetrable (ad-ware virusses and such) unless some hacker specifically targets my PC, which almost never happens. The occasional trojan might occur but they are easily removable.

Ofcourse, I don't go about installing or downloading random stuff from the internet and executing it. :yes:

thisGuy

06-03-2009, 03:02 PM

What are those virusses you mention. The last time I had a problematic virus was the Jesus virus in Dos time. My computer is fairly impenetrable (ad-ware virusses and such) unless some hacker specifically targets my PC, which almost never happens. The occasional trojan might occur but they are easily removable.

Ofcourse, I don't go about installing or downloading random stuff from the internet and executing it. :yes:

all that means is you dont watch enough porn

whats wrong with you

jenocyde

06-03-2009, 03:03 PM

dga

06-03-2009, 08:05 PM

xp user. Macs have some nice design features and clever ideas, but i am not about yet to pay for them as my vaio is basically the same machine as a mac book pro.

I hope the next version of windows does not suck as much as vista was supposed to. XP has been very stable for me. I am still on the delivered OS install, and after 3 years! Never got a virus, either due to using Spybot teatimer (and its free!).

For giggles, I looked at the knoppix version of linux, but enough software i use does not work well in any sort of almsot windows plug ins for linux and there are absolutely no replacements for them.

Enough software I use is also not written for mac

Oom

06-03-2009, 08:16 PM

I normally use Windows XP, but I'd like to get into linux. I'm a heavy gamer though, can Linux run games that are compatable for Macs and Windows OS?

I suppose if they can't then I wont be switching to linux.

Samvega

06-03-2009, 09:35 PM

Windows user. I'm not impressed with Vista, but hopefully Windows 7 will be better.

Macs are overpriced. True NT ballerz have custom PCs.

Window$ users never seem to have their facts right. For two computers with the same features the Mac is not only less but the cost of ownership is far lower and resale is 500% better.

The trouble is that Mac doesn't make a $299 wal-mart laptop but that doesn't make the Mac overpriced it makes the PC cheap and I don't mean less expensive.

ptgatsby

06-03-2009, 10:38 PM

Window$ users never seem to have their facts right. For two computers with the same features the Mac is not only less but the cost of ownership is far lower and resale is 500% better.

The cost of ownership is virtually identical, but PCs give more options, more inter-operatability and stronger support. The only reason Macs are the least bit comparable is because they are extremely closed to the user - limited hardware and limited software.

The trouble is that Mac doesn't make a $299 wal-mart laptop but that doesn't make the Mac overpriced it makes the PC cheap and I don't mean less expensive.

The trouble is that macs are pre-packaged toys. That $299 ePC does exactly what it should - a friend picked one up (that'd be his 4th computer at home) for email and reading articles on the couch. Complain all you want, it's offered and it works.

That, and Microsoft is a software company. Complaining about MS "selling" $299 computers is foolish. Apple massively marks up hardware (500% resale value? Try their hardware upgrade margins...!)... and neither Apple or Microsoft are in hardware, really. Only difference? You get to pay a fortune for the service of branding your computer Appliscious. Granted, you get nicer hardware (for the most part) in macs, but, hey, that's why they don't sell cheap systems - cause their cheap systems get cut off to price-sensitive people.

GargoylesLegacy

06-03-2009, 10:47 PM

Win XP with the newest SPs and updates.
I dislike Vista and 7 is still too new to use. So I don't think I will change anytime soon.

kesdemona

06-03-2009, 11:03 PM

I'm dual booting Ubuntu and Windows 7 RC. I just replaced Vista with Win 7 today and so far it's been awesome.

Samvega

06-04-2009, 02:05 AM

Whatever, I win this debate! It's foolish anyway, there is no better, I don't live getting viruses, having to pay for software and crashes so I use a Mac. I like that I can run all my old Linux software on my Mac.

The Decline

06-04-2009, 03:00 AM

Stripped versions of Windows and Linux Live Distros

Macs are laughable for anyone but "simpler" types of computer users, IMO

/ elitism

jenocyde

06-04-2009, 03:07 AM

The cost of ownership is virtually identical, but PCs give more options, more inter-operatability and stronger support. The only reason Macs are the least bit comparable is because they are extremely closed to the user - limited hardware and limited software.
.

Most of the software I use wasn't available for Windows until very recently. So I had to use Macs. But I also like macs better. Since they are now pandering to windows users, with all their iphone, itunes and ipod crap, service has defintely gone down. But I still prefer macs to pcs. I don't like how fragments of programs are spread throughout your registry. Macs are a lot more transparent. But then again, I haven't run a windows based machine in a few years and it's possible that things could have changed... I don't know. But I'm fine with my macs.

Samvega

06-04-2009, 03:08 AM

Stripped versions of Windows and Linux Live Distros

Macs are laughable for anyone but "simpler" types of computer users, IMO

/ elitism

I wouldn't mind an explanation there. I have installed linux from line command so I know it well. OS X like Linux is Unix based and includes a terminal. I would explain further but if you know computers there's no need to say more.

So how do you figure OS X is for "simpler" users?

The Decline

06-04-2009, 03:11 AM

The cost of ownership is virtually identical

Surely a false statement.

but PCs give more options, more inter-operatability and stronger support.

Mostly true..

The Decline

06-04-2009, 03:12 AM

So how do you figure OS X is for "simpler" users?

Lots of Mac users claim to enjoy their Macs (as opposed to PCs) "because it just works".

Also, I apologize for the elitism :cheese:

Samvega

06-04-2009, 04:13 AM

Lots of Mac users claim to enjoy their Macs (as opposed to PCs) "because it just works".

Also, I apologize for the elitism :cheese:

Yes, I will assume you're educated enough to know why this statement has come to play. Though your lack of ability to quote and multi quote makes me question your computer proficiency.

The Decline

06-04-2009, 04:25 AM

<thinly-veiled ad hominem response with little value to the discussion at hand>.

My bad, you got me; I'm terrible with "computer proficiency". In the future I'll conform to the quoting standards as dictated in the forum etiquette handbook!

Samvega

06-04-2009, 05:30 AM

My bad, you got me; I'm terrible with "computer proficiency". In the future I'll conform to the quoting standards as dictated in the forum etiquette handbook!

You keep compounding unexplained statements. I have asked for you to clarify and you seem to be failing to do so.

OS X is indubitably a superior OS and has now commanded a 10% market share. The demise of Apple was the same as has often been the case with Sony formats. By not allowing clones Apple failed to dominate the market with low cost machines.

There is however no debate that can be made for MS being better than OS X though I welcome you as an INTP to back up one thing you say.

The Decline

06-04-2009, 05:40 AM

Fluxkom

06-04-2009, 05:48 AM

I switched to Mac about 14 month's ago.
Made my wife switch 2 weeks ago, too :-)

And the saying "once you go mac, you never go back" is so totally true.

Love it!

ptgatsby

06-04-2009, 06:13 AM

Surely a false statement.

I look forward to your logical proof of this.

However, it is generally true. For every equivalent state of Macs, from the small to the large, the cost of ownership is roughly the same. It's actually a bit higher for macs in general... or use to be. Simple economics; people pay a premium for the elitism of macs.

But while it is a nightmare to run a windows network, it is also a nightmare to run a large mac network. And where you need to overpay for low end machines, the low end machines are the most quickly replaced and least secure (user demographics). The fundamental underpinnings of the apple/ms or pc/mac debate quickly establish an equilibrium. Granted, it's skewed in the MS/PC's favor because of the lock-in of hardware and the premium of elitism, but most of that is made up by the popularity of the system, giving maximum value of exploiting those systems.

*shrug* The only system I won't run is a mac. As far as I am concerned, and this is despite recent improvements, Macs are closed proprietary systems and the company is built upon this principle. I won't call them DRM infested anymore, although I am sorely tempted to outside of the computer platforms (and even on, in mayn ways), but even without that, it's on a level that I can not tolerate. I'm old school, as far as computers go, and value the freedom I have over the system.

Lucifer

06-04-2009, 06:14 AM

Vista

abra

06-04-2009, 06:14 AM

I like one thing about mac: spotlight.

but I still prefer windows.

Samvega

06-04-2009, 06:26 AM

I fully back up my offhanded crack at the Mac userbase, including the elitist fashion in which I overtly introduced it. May I kindly suggest that you learn to take a joke, or shall we continue to further this at your expense?

We can further this at my expense if that's what you feel the cost is or needs to be.

A statement in of itself is nothing without something to prop it up, you're an young INTP needing to feel as if you know something but unable to justify what you say. Until you're able to do so the conversation is not only one sided but moot.

The Decline

06-04-2009, 06:35 AM

I look forward to your logical proof of this.

It's quite simple. Since you cannot customize/build your own Mac, Apple has control over the prices and builds. Hardware cost/performance comparisons vs. a home-built PC at market prices will result in finding the PC far more cost efficient.

We can further this at my expense if that's what you feel the cost is or needs to be.

A statement in of itself is nothing without something to prop it up, you're an young INTP needing to feel as if you know something but unable to justify what you say. Until you're able to do so the conversation is not only one sided but moot.

I'm absolutely lamenting in the fact that you understand me so well. How did that happen? Was I not careful enough? Or are you just that omniscient?

Back to the matter at hand: I've already retorted. Read carefully my previous statements and it will become clear: a simple crack at Mac users sent you into a seemingly blinding reaction of defensiveness. I still back my claim of baselessly assaulting the Mac userbase at their fashionable expense; it was quite fun, as were you. I hope you've enjoyed this elaborate troll.

Samvega

06-04-2009, 07:47 AM

Back to the matter at hand: I've already retorted. Read carefully my previous statements and it will become clear: a simple crack at Mac users sent you into a seemingly blinding reaction of defensiveness. I still back my claim of baselessly assaulting the Mac userbase at their fashionable expense; it was quite fun, as were you. I hope you've enjoyed this elaborate troll.

I'm well aware that the N in INTP stands for iNtuition but in your case it stands for what exactly as iNtuition is clearly something you're lacking. Mine on the other hand is spot on enough to know you're 19 at best. Oh and that you aren't going to admit you're 19 cause it sucks to have me be right. It's cute kiddo :) I like you little ones, feisty like tiger cubs. Ha, did you get the humor in that or did it go over your head?

CJ99

06-04-2009, 08:34 AM

JocktheMotie

06-04-2009, 02:49 PM

Been a Windows person really. Just what I have been exposed to. I like how Windows has good 3rd party software and hardware support. Vista I thought was system hog and load of crap, but I'm enjoying Windows 7 so far. I've only poked around with Macs insofar as fixing things my sister has done to it, so my knowledge is pedestrian at best. Wouldn't mind grabbing one and playing around with it, but I don't really have a reason to do so.

I also run Windows SBS 2003 R2 at work.

Blank

06-04-2009, 04:58 PM

I use Vista, although I would have preferred to upgrade to XP, but my PC came with it. I'm thinking about trying the switch to 7, but I don't know yet. The lack of a true right click on a mac would kill me. I've also become far too used to hotkeys in windows to fathom a switch to Mac or anything else. Another benefit of Windows is that it's a lot easier to play games because almost everything is designed for it.

And at Samvega: If he's nineteen, who really gives a flying fuck? Right now you're acting like the immature teenager. Grow up.

The Decline

06-04-2009, 07:18 PM

I'm well aware that the N in INTP stands for iNtuition but in your case it stands for what exactly as iNtuition is clearly something you're lacking. Mine on the other hand is spot on enough to know you're 19 at best. Oh and that you aren't going to admit you're 19 cause it sucks to have me be right. It's cute kiddo :) I like you little ones, feisty like tiger cubs. Ha, did you get the humor in that or did it go over your head?

The irony in your statements is just too much... I have to respond. :cheese:

Somehow you just keep me coming back, Samvega! While it's unfortunate that sarcasm and clever wit are not communicated well simply via text, it can create some hilarious situations. I find it fucking hilarious that you still don't get it and that you'll probably think that the previous statement is referring to my own supposed lack of understanding in the humor at hand.