Types of Quintessential Ethnicities

[The Pascuzzi]

Hey, everyone. I haven't posted here in a while. I've been playing around with this topic in my mind lately and I thought this would be a good place to post it.

I'm Filipino and, like many other Filipinos, I'm very proud of that fact. Add being an INTJ into the mix and the result is that I think about my Filipino-ness a lot, especially about what a Filipino is and what a Filipino can be. It's been at a point where it's very easy to envision a "quintessential Filipino," a character that embodies all of the culturally-influenced behaviors and even some of the admittedly more justifiable stereotypes associated with the Filipino ethnicity.

I've tried to assign a type to this character; I think ENFJ captures it best. I'm sold on it being at least an EF. Filipinos in and out of their own ethnic communities are known for being warm, personable people. I'd bet N because the quintessential Filipino tends to be dreamy, definitely in the vein of an NF idealist. The quintessential Filipino also tends to be motivated to act on behalf of or for the benefit of others. They will often take the cause of another to heart, even if they do not directly benefit from the success of that cause. From what I gather, this is a very ENFJ thing to do.

Of course, reality isn't so simple. People will be who they are, giving into and regardless of cultural influence. Nevertheless, I'm curious to see if any of you out there have had similar musings about your own ethnicities. If you had to describe your ethnicity as a certain type, which one would it be and why? And for all my fellow Filipinos and Filipinas on this forum, what do you think about a quintessential Filipino character being described as an ENFJ? Would you classify your vision of this character differently?

[Into It]

White. ENTJ. We like to hold the reigns.

[matmos]

OP.

Sir, are srsly suggesting that stereotype reinforcement has any validity?

The very idea of a "quintessential Filipino" is a thoroughly limiting concept.

You should remember that everything has a flip side. Do you consider it more likely that positive stereotypes (which I assume you would embrace) or negative ones (which you are likely to reject) would emerge from the MBTI soup?

If you feel that "more justifiable stereotypes" is an acceptable turn of phrase, may I recommend you avoid parts of the US & Europe where the locals wholeheartily agree with you and keep several Filipino maids as evidence of their approval.

All the best.

[INA]

wut in tarnation is a quintessential ethnicity?

[Sentura]

All the best.

man, you're such a hypocrite. bashing my thread then being benign to a thread with a similar semantic.

for shame. :rolli:

[matmos]

man, you're such a hypocrite. bashing my thread then being benign to a thread with a similar semantic.

for shame. :rolli:

Aw, okay.

All the best to you too.

Actually, the "similar semantic" is not similar enough to draw a conclusion as to the reasons for the methodology of the critique; moreover you were not party to any extra communication that may (or may not) counter your assertion of hypocricy.

But you're right. I am a complete hypocrite. But that's incidental :newwink:

[LunarMoon]

I'm really not sure what this thread is trying to measure, either. If we're trying to say that a particular ethnic group is culturally similar to an MBTI type then you'll be hard pressed to find one that's Intuitive since the vast majority of people worldwide are Sensors. A genuinely INFJ culture, for instance, would be non-existent. If you're trying to say that certain ethnic bloodlines predispose to certain personality types, the purest of sort being the "quintessential",then I think we need to back peddle to basic genetics and bring up how low human genetic variability is. We've barely existed for six million years; there's hardly enough difference between different races to predispose one to be INFP while the other is ESTJ.

White. ENTJ. We like to hold the reigns
Really now.:shock:

[matmos]

I give up.

[edward the confessor]

I think what the original poster is trying to accomplish is the following:

Nations can have identities and prized characteristics without that nation or any of its inhabitants requiring every individual in that state to subscribe to that identity. Every country, every religion, every "club" in the world is subject to questioning what forms its identity. It's not about creating or exploding stereotypes at this level, it's merely about identifying them.

[LunarMoon]

I think what the original poster is trying to accomplish is the following:

Nations can have identities and prized characteristics without that nation or any of its inhabitants requiring every individual in that state to subscribe to that identity. Every country, every religion, every "club" in the world is subject to questioning what forms its identity. It's not about creating or exploding stereotypes at this level, it's merely about identifying them.
That makes sense. So German society which values punctuality, stringent regulations, direct communication, and overbearing logical thought would be very xSTJ in its culture. It's a lot harder to type sub-cultures such as that of the Italian Americans, however....I still argue that overwhelmingly Intuitive cultures would be rare.

[edward the confessor]

That makes sense. So German society which values punctuality, stringent regulations, direct communication, and overbearing logical thought would be very xSTJ in its culture. It's a lot harder to type sub-cultures such as that of the Italian Americans, however....I still argue that overwhelmingly Intuitive cultures would be rare.

Basically. :)

[NewEra]

In that case, America values ESTJ qualities... think about it...

E/I - America loves extroverts and prizes them more.

N/S - This one's the toughest one, but I'm thinking it preaches practicality, although imagination is prized too, but I'd say practicality wins by a hair. Facts are prized, and so is experience.

F/T - Using logic for decision making wins.

J/P - America rewards planners, step-by-step workers, hard workers, work before play, getting things done especially ahead of time, meeting deadlines on time.

ESTJ.

[edward the confessor]

Personally I think it could be argued that the vast majority of countries on Earth could idealize ESTJ, ESFJ, even ESTP and ESFP characteristics.

What's more interesting to me is that this is an exercise which can probably be better suited to every point on the enneagram (rather than MBTI) finding itself in a national identity.

From The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Power of the Enneagram by Herb Pearce and Karen K. Brees. (Parentheses are mine):


Here's a list of some countries and their corresponding type values. These are stereotypes, of sorts, and are meant to be taken as generalities, not set in stone. It's a bit tongue in cheek, to boot:

Type 1 -- England -- the King, the Queen, rules and order, traditions, strong beliefs, and propriety, though darker underneath with a history of imperialism and Victorian sexuality. Also, a touch of 5, with pursuit of knowledge.

Type 2 -- Italy -- the maternal side, eat more, emotional, positive, romantic, seductive. A bit of Type 4, too! Drama, intrigue -- the Borgias!

Type 3 -- United States -- show me the money, image, action, symbols of success, be Number One, materialism.

Type 4 -- France -- individuality, art, pursue me -- if you want to, nonconformity.

Type 5 -- Sweden -- learning, travel (<< I might question how much 5s value this), rational viewpoint of sexuality, privacy.

Type 6 -- Germany -- security, order, details, being victim and dominator.

Type 7 -- Caribbean in general -- festival, fun, pleasure, being outdoors.

Type 8 -- Spain -- bullfights, colonization (not a lot to go on here!)

Type 9 -- Canada -- socialized medicine (France still wins here), low crime rate, peace-oriented.

[NewEra]

If we're going by enneagram types, I'd say this:

Type 1 - England
Type 3 - USA
Type 8 - China (definitely not Spain)
Type 9 - Europe in general

[Sentura]

sweden definitely isn't 5. scandinavia in general is ISXX.

[TaylorS]

American: ESTP
Canadian: ISTP
British: ISTJ
French: INFJ
German: INTJ
Russian: ISFJ
Italian: ENFJ
Spanish: ESFJ
Swedish: INTP
Dutch: ISTP
Australian/Aussie: ESTP
New-Zealander/Kiwi: INTP
Chinese: ISFJ
Indian: ISFP
Israeli: ENTJ
Mexican: ESFJ
Brazilian: ESFP
Argentinian: ESTP
Japanese: ISTJ
Korean: ISFJ
Arab: ESFJ
Persian: ENFJ

[Peguy]

France is pretty much the quintessential Enneagram 4 country. Russia greatly qualifies too on some levels. Poland as well IMO.

[Sentura]

i honestly don't know where you get data that suggest any scandinavian country is other than ISXX. but then again what do i know, i've only lived here for the past 20 years.

[edward the confessor]

That's just the thing though. No one is claiming it as "data".

[Vizconde]

USA: ESFJ

[BlahBlahNounBlah]

This thread is complete bullshit.

[VagrantFarce]

youre complete bullshit

ahahahahaha

[BlahBlahNounBlah]

youre complete bullshit

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I am only 33.333% bullshit! That is an ideal bullshit level! :steam:

[SillySapienne]

I didn't read any of the posts, well I read like 20% of two, regardless, I am half Korean and half Polish, Ashkenazi Jew.

Jewrean pride!!!

:smooch:

[Matthew_Z]

Wait, other ethnicities have high enough cognitive abilities to have an MBTI type?

</satire>

[01011010]

Japanese: ISTJ

Japan has debilitating Fe. This is why the hikikomori problem isn't being taken care of. They're so unique and special. Yet, anyone that stands out must be taken down. That includes people that do so well, they shine above the rest. The group takes priority. Individuals, be damned. The homogeneous blob thing is creepy.

[Haphazard]

USA: ESFJ

I thought we were talking about ethnicities?

[NewEra]

lol, I wonder why this turned from ethnicities to countries. Ethnicity has more to do with race.

[Vizconde]

I thought we were talking about ethnicities?

USA! USA! USA! :yay:

Thats not good enough of an answer.:cry:

Ok truth be told it was fucked up that way when I got here and I wanted to "type" the USA.

[Vizconde]

Irish: xNxP

[dotdalidot]

Hispanics, ESFx