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Dark Razor
07-28-2007, 07:54 PM
Dunno if there already is such a thread, I hope not, I'll start (dont have much knowledge about DS9 and Enterprise though.)

TNG

Caiptan Jean Luc Picard : INTJ
Commander William Riker: ESTJ
Lieutenant Commander Data: ENTP or INTP
Lieutenant Commander Geordi La Forge: ENTJ
Doctor Beverly Crusher: ESFJ or ENFJ?
Councelor Diana Troy: ENFP (or ENFJ?)
Wesley Crusher: INFP
Lieutanant Worf: ISTJ ?
Chief O' Brien : xSTJ
Barclay : INTP
Zephram Cochran: ENTP
The Borg: ENTJ

Voyager:
Caiptan Kathryn Janeway: ENFJ
Commander Chakotay: difficult, ISFJ?, or INFJ?
Tom Paris: ESFP
B'elana Torres: ESTJ
Harry Kim: ENTP
Seven of Nine: INTJ
Tuvok: INTJ or ISTJ
Neelix: ENFP
The Doctor: ENTP
Kes: INFJ
The Borg: ENTJ

TOS:
Kirk: ESTP
McCoy: ENFJ
Spock: INTJ or ISTJ
Scotty: xSxP

I dont have watched enough DS9 or Ent to try any typing there, so please feel free to add series and characters I havent mentionend yet :) .

Athenian200
07-28-2007, 08:12 PM
My guesses are as follows:

Star Trek: The Next Generation


Jean-Luc Picard: INTJ
William T. Riker: ESTP
Beverly Crusher: ISFJ
Deanna Troi: INFP

Star Trek

James Tiberius Kirk: ENFP
Leonard McCoy: ISFJ
Mr. Spock: ISTJ

fia
07-28-2007, 08:26 PM
Deanna Troi INFJ?

Mr. Spock INTJ - his logic is too pure for ISTJ who are very tradition and rule bound.

I'd say Kirk is an ESFP

563 740
07-28-2007, 08:32 PM
William T. Riker: ESTP


I second that motion - he had that SP "gung-ho" style.

What about Guinan...? Probably E (bartending), not sure S or N, T almost for sure, and I'd say P because she was always open to a lot of different viewpoints and experiences, etc. :thinking:

JivinJeffJones
07-28-2007, 08:47 PM
I second that motion - he had that SP "gung-ho" style.

What about Guinan...? Probably E (bartending), not sure S or N, T almost for sure, and I'd say P because she was always open to a lot of different viewpoints and experiences, etc. :thinking:

Disclaimer: only seen up to season 4.

My guess is either INFJ or possibly INFP. But she's portrayed as the most mature character on the show, which means she's gonna come across as pretty balanced in all areas.

Bartending isn't as sociable a job as it may seem, but it's the perfect job to watch people from without getting especially involved. Especially with all the dim lights. Plus, she rarely seems to seek out other people's company unless they have a problem she has to fix. She seems to prefer to stay in the background. So I don't think she's an E.

She's always giving people the bigger picture and how their problems fit into that (giving them perspective), which suggests N. And she's usually helping people with emotional problems especially, which suggests NF to me.

No clue when it comes to J/P. Leaning towards very balanced J. But she could easily be a P, because she seems (as has been mentioned) to see many different perspectives and she never seems to judge people for their failings.

Edit: I don't think she's a T because she seems more concerned with people than with anything else. And if she were an NT I think she would display a drive towards competence which I don't see in her character.

563 740
07-28-2007, 09:09 PM
My guess is either INFJ or possibly INFP. But she's portrayed as the most mature character on the show, which means she's gonna come across as pretty balanced in all areas.

True 'dat - isn't she like 500 years old or something? :shock:

I'm not sure if F fits the bill or not.. Whenever Picard or someone would come to her with some big ass moral decision, her response would usually be "Do what's right (from a universal good point of view)". Picard might be like "Should I bomb the shit out of this planet to eliminate evil at the cost of the greater good?" and she'd be more inclined to answer "Yes, we must eliminate evil FOR the greater good" instead of "ZOMG - no way man, you'd totally be killing innocent people".

But then again, I don't really know many (any?) NFs in real life.

Post-script: I think we were totally debating the T/F divide simultaneously. :high-five:

Post-post-script: Maybe as a 500 year old NT, she's developed all the competence she cares to develop? Hrmm...

Dark Razor
07-28-2007, 09:14 PM
I second that motion - he had that SP "gung-ho" style.

What about Guinan...? Probably E (bartending), not sure S or N, T almost for sure, and I'd say P because she was always open to a lot of different viewpoints and experiences, etc. :thinking:

The reason why I thought ESTJ for Riker is that throughout the series he choose to remain first officer under Picard rather than getting his own command, I figure an SP would not be bound by duty that much.

ESTJs can be "gung-ho" as well, if their sense of justice is threatend or attacked they can become very crusader-like.

Guinan might be ENTJ ;) , Q is probaly ENTP.

563 740
07-28-2007, 09:17 PM
The reason why I thought ESTJ for Riker is that throughout the series he choose to remain first officer under Picard rather than getting his own command, I figure an SP would not be bound bay duty that much.

Good point, but I think an SJ would be more concerned about rank (and advancement of) than an SP. I'd think SP would be happier to just chill as first officer. I agree with Worf as SJ - he's very honor & duty bound. Riker seems a lot more flexible in his approach to things.


ESTJs can be "gung-ho" as well, if there sense of justice is threatend or attacked they can become very crusader-like.

True true.. He always just stuck me more as a "Shoot first, ask questions later" SP kind of guy. Tough call on that one.

Post-script: Was "Q" anyone else's favorite character?? He was such a sweet bastard!

JivinJeffJones
07-28-2007, 09:27 PM
I'm not sure if F fits the bill or not.. Whenever Picard or someone would come to her with some big ass moral decision, her response would usually be "Do what's right (from a universal good point of view)". Picard might be like "Should I bomb the shit out of this planet to eliminate evil at the cost of the greater good?" and she'd be more inclined to answer "Yes, we must eliminate evil FOR the greater good" instead of "ZOMG - no way man, you'd totally be killing innocent people".

Maybe that would be a less mature automatic NF response. Even then, NFs often put values ahead of people, especially INFPs with the Fi primacy.


Post-post-script: Maybe as a 500 year old NT, she's developed all the competence she cares to develop? Hrmm...

Possibly. Such extreme maturity muddies the waters quite a lot. But what would you suggest those areas of competence are?



Guinan might be ENTJ ;) , Q is probaly ENTP.

:shock: Who does she lead? Who does she want to lead?

Dark Razor
07-28-2007, 09:33 PM
:shock: Who does she lead? Who does she want to lead?

Mh, I was more like contrasting her and Q, she is very much concerned with long term consequences and keeping the balance of the universe intact, so to speak, while Q seems to be more playful and interested in providing immediate lessons, overall he seems more random. Guinan however seems like a deliberate long term strategist, I am most torn between ENFJ and ENTJ, though I am also open to her beeing introverted :) .

JivinJeffJones
07-28-2007, 09:37 PM
Guinan however seems like a deliberate long term strategist, I am most torn between ENFJ and ENTJ, though I am also open to her beeing introverted :) .

I just can't see her being an E. She's usually in the background, and when she talks it's mostly to one character at a time, in fairly intimate settings. Unless circumstances force her to step to the forefront and leave her den, but they are usually fairly extraordinary circumstances. And people often express surprise to see her away from her usual setting.

And what does she do with her free time? Does she visit ppl? Does she socialize? Do we even know? If not, doesn't that suggest that she keeps to herself when she isn't actually working?

563 740
07-28-2007, 10:16 PM
True true.. He always just stuck me more as a "Shoot first, ask questions later" SP kind of guy. Tough call on that one.


Actually - I take it back. I'm sticking with ESTP - if anyone was likely to go against "Starfleet protocol" or "Orders from the Admiral", it was Riker.


And what does she do with her free time? Does she visit ppl? Does she socialize? Do we even know? If not, doesn't that suggest that she keeps to herself when she isn't actually working?

If a character got a visit from Guinan, it meant something important was happening. She almost never dropped by just to shoot the shit. +1 for Introverted.


Maybe that would be a less mature automatic NF response. Even then, NFs often put values ahead of people, especially INFPs with the Fi primacy.

I see, I see... Again, I don't really know NFs that well. I tend to agree with you here.


Possibly. Such extreme maturity muddies the waters quite a lot. But what would you suggest those areas of competence are?

But then again, the age thing is really killing us. I could argue that Guinan has a mature NT "Taoist" thing going on. Struggle and develop yourself early in life then strive to achieve simplicity later in life...

If nothing else, mixing drinks is appeals to NT competency (at least, I'd get a kick out of it :cool: ) Maybe she's spent a lifetime striving to give damn good advice?

I think your argument holds more water overall, but I gotta play :devil: 's advocate. :)

Haight
07-28-2007, 10:20 PM
Moved from The Fluff Zone.

The Ü™
07-28-2007, 10:50 PM
Kirk: ESFP. I don't know how people see him as an ENxP, he's clearly an adventure seeker, whereas an ENxP would be more of a creator.

Spock: INTJ*

McCoy: ESFJ

Scotty: ESTP

Sulu: ISFP, maybe?

Uhura: ISTJ.

*I've decided that Spock is more likely an INTJ, I think, at least in the movies, because he's also looked upon as a mystic and has a constant need for understanding without necessarily having a practical application. He also looks for the meaning of human actions ("This is highly illogical"). I would suspect an ISTJ would be more meat-and-potatoes about that sort of thing.

He also shows some INFJ tendencies in Star Trek II by sacrificing himself for the crew. Although his decision was logical, it was also selfless. But as we have stated before, the T and F dichotomy is not about emotion or intellect. Regardless, I think an INTJ would more likely look out for himself before other people.

But Ni is quite clear in Spock, because he tries to comprehend the meaning of things. (Like in Star Trek V and the campfire scene.)

EDIT: In related news the new Star Trek film due for release next Xmas will have Leonard Nimoy making an appearance as Spock.

ILM will also be providing the special effects. Interestingly, the last two Trek films, Insurrection and Nemesis, did not have ILM involvement, and they were among the poorer entries to the franchise. Sometimes I wonder if ILM is Star Trek's good luck charm.

563 740
07-29-2007, 01:19 AM
Moved from The Fluff Zone.

I agree. Star Trek is Serious Business!!

:D

heart
07-29-2007, 01:36 AM
I say Kirk is ENFP.

The Grey Badger
09-22-2007, 08:35 PM
My guesses are as follows:

Star Trek: The Next Generation


Jean-Luc Picard: INTJ
William T. Riker: ESTP
Beverly Crusher: ISFJ
Deanna Troi: INFP

Star Trek

James Tiberius Kirk: ENFP
Leonard McCoy: ISFJ
Mr. Spock: ISTJ

Tomcat, any sort of NF? Naaah - ESFP.

Jennifer
09-22-2007, 08:49 PM
Caiptan Jean Luc Picard : INTJ
Commander William Riker: ESTJ
Lieutenant Commander Data: INTP
Lieutenant Commander Geordi La Forge: ISFP
Doctor Beverly Crusher: INFJ
Councelor Diana Troy: INFP (maybe ENFP)
Wesley Crusher: INxP
Lieutanant Worf: ISTJ
Chief O' Brien : ISTx
Barclay : INTP

Voyager:
Captain Kathryn Janeway: ENxJ
Commander Chakotay: ISFP
Harry Kim: ExxP
Tuvok: IxTJ
Neelix: ExxP
The Doctor: ENTP
Kes: INFJ


TOS:
Kirk: ESTP
McCoy: ISxJ
Spock: IxTJ
Scotty: ISFP

fia
09-22-2007, 08:54 PM
I just can't see her being an E. She's usually in the background, and when she talks it's mostly to one character at a time, in fairly intimate settings. Unless circumstances force her to step to the forefront and leave her den, but they are usually fairly extraordinary circumstances. And people often express surprise to see her away from her usual setting.

And what does she do with her free time? Does she visit ppl? Does she socialize? Do we even know? If not, doesn't that suggest that she keeps to herself when she isn't actually working?i can see her as an INFJ because she is also always analyzing subjective systems.



Kirk: ESTPYeah, that is closer than my guess. Kirk does seem like a T, but not an NT. ESTP.

Jennifer
09-22-2007, 09:37 PM
i can see her as an INFJ because she is also always analyzing subjective systems.

I had thought about INFJ for Deanna, but I am certain of Beverly Crusher being INFJ -- and Deanna is more like an INFP in comparison. Even if she is sometimes a cliche... :)

The Grey Badger
09-24-2007, 09:26 PM
Beverly Crusher reminds me of my own daughter, also a doctor, who is ISFJ.

hotmale
11-06-2007, 02:36 AM
My girlfriend and I were discussing what all the types of personalities of Star Trek characters were.

Since I'm relatively new to MBTI theory, I was only making random extrapolations, but am curious if others have opinions about the matter.

Since one of her favorite shows had been The Next Generation, after perusing through some sites, she and I came across these assessments:

Picard: ENTJ/INTJ (he was a brash, arrogant officer before he had heart surgery in a duel and then chilled out to be a pensive scholar)

Deanna Troi: INFJ/ INFP

Dr. Krusher: ESTP

Riker: ENFJ (he's a womanizer, nuff said)

Jordi: INTP

Q: ENTP

What say you?

cafe
11-06-2007, 02:40 AM
Moved to Pop Culture and Type. Carry on and live long and prosper.

The Grey Badger
11-06-2007, 02:50 PM
My girlfriend and I were discussing what all the types of personalities of Star Trek characters were.

Since I'm relatively new to MBTI theory, I was only making random extrapolations, but am curious if others have opinions about the matter.

Since one of her favorite shows had been The Next Generation, after perusing through some sites, she and I came across these assessments:

Picard: ENTJ/INTJ (he was a brash, arrogant officer before he had heart surgery in a duel and then chilled out to be a pensive scholar)

Deanna Troi: INFJ/ INFP

Dr. Krusher: ESTP

Riker: ENFJ (he's a womanizer, nuff said)

Jordi: INTP

Q: ENTP

What say you?

Picard: INTJ.
Troi: I agree
Beverly Crusher: ESFJ
Riker: ESTP
Geordi: ISTP
Q: ESTP

scantilyclad
11-06-2007, 03:19 PM
Picard: INTJ.
Troi: I agree
Beverly Crusher: ESFJ
Riker: ESTP
Geordi: ISTP
Q: ESTP

i almost agree with those except
geordi(jordi sp?): ENTJ
and
Q:ENTP

fia
11-06-2007, 03:37 PM
Picard: ENTJ/INTJ (he was a brash, arrogant officer before he had heart surgery in a duel and then chilled out to be a pensive scholar)

Deanna Troi: INFJ/ INFP

Dr. Krusher: ESTP

Riker: ENFJ (he's a womanizer, nuff said)

Jordi: INTP

Q: ENTP

What say you?
Those sound reasonable. I might consider Riker an ENXJ because he can seem T-ish at times, although that could be the male style of communication as an ENFJ. My nephew is huge into StarTrek now, so my mom watches it with him. She thinks I'm like Troi, which I'm not sure what to think about. I certainly do not have the hair.

Jennifer
11-06-2007, 04:04 PM
Picard: INTJ
Deanna Troi: INFP
Dr. Crusher: INFJ
Riker: ESTJ
Jordi: ISFP
Q: ENTP
Wesley: IxTx
Tasha Yar: ISTx
Data: INTP
Worf: ISTJ

There are some other threads about this, I think, here somewhere... if you want to search for them.

EDIT: Oh bother, here's one of them (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/popular-culture-type/1262-type-star-trek-characters.html).

spirilis
11-06-2007, 06:01 PM
Every time I see something like this, for the *most* part everyone agrees on Picard, Troi, Q, Data and Worf, but the rest are a mixed bag.

Wesley I am pretty sure is INFP, Troi could be INFP or J, not sure.

substitute
11-06-2007, 07:21 PM
I say Garak, Gul Dukat, Julian Bashir, Trip and Dr Flox (Enterprise) and possibly Jadzia-Dax and Jake Sisko are also ENTP's.

And O'Brian is ISTP, and Sisko and Janeway are ENTJ. I'm not sure about Kira - maybe ESFJ, but I can't really tell... I like her anyway, in an odd kinda way. And Odo's ISTJ as is T'Pol. Quark's ESTP and Rom's possibly INFP.

I mean, just off the cuff, like ;)


(NOT)

Jennifer
11-06-2007, 09:47 PM
O'Brian is ISTP
Sisko and Janeway are ENTJ.
Kira - maybe ESFJ
Odo's ISTJ as is T'Pol
Quark's ESTP

Bolded ones -- yup.
Others? Plausible. Not sure, tho.

The Ü™
11-06-2007, 10:30 PM
I think Capt. Archer is an ENFP. (Sorry, it doesn't specifically say TNG characters.)

spirilis
11-07-2007, 12:20 AM
I think I asked an LJ community (typers?) about the DS9 characters... I was guessing Sisko was INFJ actually, I definitely do not see ENTJ in him. The man has way too much compassion underlying that serious look. Janeway though, totally.

hotmale
11-07-2007, 02:57 AM
Picard: INTJ.
Troi: I agree
Beverly Crusher: ESFJ
Riker: ESTP
Geordi: ISTP
Q: ESTP

It's hard to type Dr. Crusher- she seems like a Thinker type to me, who puts her emotions aside when making decisions. However she is very ethical, which makes me think she might be ENTJ/ ESTP even if her decisions work against her own interests. Let's remember that she chose to remain close friends with Picard even after he had made the decision to save another man's life instead of her husband's during a war and never held a grudge against him and was able to see that he only had a split second to make that decision and did not blame him for it.

hotmale
11-07-2007, 03:07 AM
Picard: INTJ
Deanna Troi: INFP
Dr. Crusher: INFJ
Riker: ESTJ
Geordi: ISFP
Q: ENTP
Wesley: IxTx
Tasha Yar: ISTx
Data: INTP
Worf: ISTJ

There are some other threads about this, I think, here somewhere... if you want to search for them.

EDIT: Oh bother, here's one of them (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/popular-culture-type/1262-type-star-trek-characters.html).

Ah, well done, Jennifer. I will use the search function next time. :)


Those sound reasonable. I might consider Riker an ENXJ because he can seem T-ish at times, although that could be the male style of communication as an ENFJ. My nephew is huge into StarTrek now, so my mom watches it with him. She thinks I'm like Troi, which I'm not sure what to think about. I certainly do not have the hair.

You could be right about that. He seems like a very "warm" character however, which I've heard is indicative of NFs but it could be possible that is somewhere in between.

Counselor Troi does seem very interesting- although being a product of two different races could perceivably make her more attuned to her ability to analyze from an external point of view. However, she also seems very "warm" to me, you, on the other hand, from your posting history strike me as being very logical with a compassionate nature. :)

anii
02-10-2008, 11:08 PM
I only really got into TNG and, to a lesser extent, TOS. So those are the ones I'll guess at:

TNG:

Caiptan Jean Luc Picard : INTJ
Commander William Riker: ESTP
Lieutenant Commander Data: INTP
Lieutenant Commander Geordi La Forge: ENTP
Doctor Beverly Crusher: ISFJ
Councelor Diana Troy: INFP
Lieutanant Worf: ISTP
Gynan: INFP

TOS:

Kirk: ESTP
McCoy: ISFJ
Spock: INTJ
Scotty: ESXP
Uhura: ISFJ
Checkov: ISTJ
Sulu: INTP

heart
02-10-2008, 11:28 PM
Tomcat, any sort of NF? Naaah - ESFP.

Kirk is NF. He was not really a tomcat.

Let's set the record straight, shall we?

The Truth About Captain Kirk. (http://members.aol.com/captapril/CaptKirk.html) ;)

wedekit
02-10-2008, 11:36 PM
Mr. Spock - INTJ
Mr. Scotty - ISTJ
Mr. Mccoy - ESFP
Captain Kirk - ENFJ

developer
02-13-2008, 10:49 AM
Riker seems ESTJ to me, which would also fit well with him living happily as the right hand man of an INTJ (Picard).

Spock is a difficult one (ISTJ vs. INTJ), but I would go for ISTJ, because so often he is about Starfleet regulations and Vulcan traditions. Also, his answers are very often focused on pretty irrelevant details.

Janeway could be an ENFJ, but I would personally believe more in the ENTJ interpretation. She does care about her crew, but she can be very tough on them and she also is always ready to get into a good fight, blasting some uncooperative aliens out of the sky.

Night
03-25-2008, 06:01 PM
Here are some impressions of MBTI for major races in the Star Trek universe:

Humans – xStj
Klingon – xSTJ
Ferengi – xSTP
Vulcan – InTJ
Douwd – INFJ (Kevin Uxbridge is a pristine example of INFJ mentality)
Borg – ENTJ
Q – ENTP (flashes of J behavior when circumstances warrant)
Betazoid - xNFx
Species 8472 – xxTJ
Cardassian - xNTP
Bajorans - xnFP
Romulans – xSTJ
Breen - xNFJ
Jem’Hadar – EsTJ


Feel free to revise / add as you see fit.

As always, I’ve many more to add, if anyone is interested.

swordpath
03-25-2008, 08:04 PM
Fugg yeah!

KLINGON
http://www.startrek-voyager.info/klingon1.jpg

I'd totally make love to a good looking Romulan chic. :)

The Ü™
03-25-2008, 08:29 PM
Hell yes for the Borg being ENTJ! :cheers:

Wandering
03-25-2008, 08:45 PM
Douwd – INFJ (Kevin Uxbridge is a pristine example of INFJ mentality)
50 billion people, an entire race, erased in a fit of rage, and you call that a "pristine example of INFJ mentality" :shock: ?!?! I don't know if I should feel offended, suicidal, or scared of myself out of my own wits... Or maybe all three at the same time :cry:??

Wandering
03-25-2008, 08:50 PM
Breen - xNFJ
Based on what :shock: ???

Night
03-25-2008, 09:03 PM
50 billion people, an entire race, erased in a fit of rage, and you call that a "pristine example of INFJ mentality" :shock: ?!?! I don't know if I should feel offended, suicidal, or scared of myself out of my own wits... Or maybe all three at the same time :cry:??

You are analyzing a fraction of his personality. ;)

Look to his stimulus and subsequent response towards his genocide (of a vicious enemy).


I say again: INFJ.

Wandering
03-25-2008, 09:21 PM
You are analyzing a fraction of his personality. ;)
Sure, but a very important fraction ;)


Look to his stimulus and subsequent response towards his genocide (of a vicious enemy).
Ah, but see, I don't know that an INFJ would "treat" themselves the way he does, by recreating his home and wife and happily going on with his life as though nothing had happened. Sure he goes into self-judgement when forced to reveal his crime, but it doesn't look like he would ever face it *voluntarily*, if left on his own. I personally couldn't live like that: I'd have to ATONE for my crime, one way or the other. I most definitely would NOT just go on with my life.

But then of course, all of this happens only three days after the attack. He's still under the shock of everything that happened, and he's looking for solace, thus the re-creating of his wife and home... (Which by the way smells very much of Si, a very *not* INFJ function...)

See, that's the problem with DomNis: we need TIME to absorb what happens. And time is exactly what we do NOT get in this case. We don't know how Kevin changes - or not - over the following months and years. If he just keeps on enjoying his private little life, then he's definitely no INFJ. If he faces up to what he did and seeks to somehow atone for his crime, then I can maybe see INFJ.

But then here's another thing: the way he stuck to his VALUES in the face of the danger his home and wife were confronted to. That's not INFJ, that's INFP. When confronted with an emotional situation (like being attacked by an alien race and threatened with total destruction), INFJs are far more likely to take a short-term approach: what is needed NOW? What do my family and community need from me? It's the INFPs who will choose the higher ground and stick to their values no matter what.

And it's the INFPs who are the most likely to throw open the gates of Hell, all values be damned, because you emotionally hurt them...

So I'll go for INFP, maybe ;)

Ivy
03-25-2008, 09:26 PM
Moved from Science, Technology, and Future Tech

Night
03-25-2008, 09:51 PM
So I'll go for INFP, maybe ;)

I'd also considered INFP.


His sense of accountability for the gravity of his behavior is what continues to push me towards an INFJ disposition.

The Husnock were a horrifying race equipped with vastly superior technology to the Federation - a race guilty of open holocaust. After their annihilation, Uxbridge still felt a sense of conscience towards them -- despite their crimes against the colonists and Rishon. This seems xNFJ to me.

Yet, you make good points to the INFP persuasion.

In the end, I'd wager his profound reluctance to kill is what elevates him to INFJ for me. Perhaps his atonement is the realization that he is left to love an illusion - the finality of his inaction as a self-inflicted punishment, shall we say.


Moved from Science, Technology, and Future Tech

Thanks Ivy.

Wandering
03-25-2008, 10:02 PM
His sense of accountability for the gravity of his behavior is what continues to push me towards an INFJ disposition.

The Husnock were a horrifying race equipped with vastly superior technology to the Federation - a race guilty of open holocaust. After their annihilation, Uxbridge still felt a sense of conscience towards them -- despite their crimes against the colonists and Rishon. This seems xNFJ to me.
OK, this I can see. The Husnock "deserved" their punishment, and yet he can't stop feeling guilty for providing this punishment. Conflict between reason, values and feeling: that's more INFJ than INFP. An INFP would be more likely to know whether they acted according to their values, and to judge themselves accordingly, they wouldn't wish-wash like that.


In the end, I'd wager his profound reluctance to kill is what elevates him to INFJ for me.
That sounds weird :huh: Sounds like INFJs are somehow "higher" than INFPs :shock:

Night
03-25-2008, 11:09 PM
That sounds weird :huh: Sounds like INFJs are somehow "higher" than INFPs :shock:


Hehe.

The context was akin to "elevating" judgment from a basis of uncertainty (NFP v. NFJ) into one of certainty - hence the elevation. ;)

Wandering
03-26-2008, 12:54 AM
The context was akin to "elevating" judgment from a basis of uncertainty (NFP v. NFJ) into one of certainty - hence the elevation. ;)
Phew, I'm relieved!

:laugh: ;)

Griffi97
03-26-2008, 02:38 AM
Okay Night, what else do you have for us? How about the alien captain in the Darmok episode? :D

Sinister Scribe
10-12-2008, 03:32 AM
Don't be so quick to typejudge human characters. ;)

Sinister Scribe
10-12-2008, 03:46 AM
I'd agree that Spock is more ISTJ than INTJ, though he does show a few INTJ traits now and then... especially by the time the movies come out. I don't think an INTJ would go around quoting Starfleet regulations... On that thought, Saavik's definately an STJ.

I'd have to go with McCoy and Sulu being more extroverted than not, especially McCoy. I'd say EsFP. He's certainly not shy about making his thoughts, feelings or opinions known around anyone else and almost lacks that "shut up filter" I have seen commonly lacked in many ExFPs.

Sulu might be an INTP with a tendency towards extroversion (ie, not one of the reclusive, odd INTPs). He has his areas of expertise as is typical with NTs (fencing, botany), but he's constantly seen having fun and socializing with the other crew members...

Bella
10-12-2008, 04:40 AM
Do people who love Star Wars, love Star Trek too, or is it two different worlds. (You craziez)

lrathbon
11-06-2008, 04:21 PM
Hmm, what strikes me as odd is that Picard is an INTJ and Data is an INTP and yet they are good friends and get along well. Don't INTPs and INTJs usually have a hard time getting along? I guess with Picard as a likely 1w9 INTJ rather than, say, a 5w4, we avoid the usual petty arguments those two types often find themselves in... any thoughts?

TPol
11-06-2008, 05:53 PM
My husband is an INTJ. If I remember correctly, he is a 1w9. I am mostly an INTP. I'm not sure whether we are an exception to a commonality or the rumor is wrong, but we get along pretty well.

Geoff
01-28-2009, 05:51 PM
Watching Star Trek The Original Series today, Spock says to McCoy (when offered a decent meal) - "you are such a sensualist!". McCoy replies, "absolutely".

Sounds kinda sensory!

polikujm
03-29-2009, 10:28 AM
Riker isn't very J. I think he's an ESTP.

Riva
04-01-2009, 02:28 PM
Jon Luc Picard - ENTJ

everyone of you have labeled him as a INTJ. care to explain?

these are the reasons why i think he is an ENTJ -

(1)
most people think he is an INTJ is i think because he is extremely private about his emotions, thoughts etc. much like a INTJ. but the thing is he is the captain of the ship. he has to be a bit more private than the rest of the crew. captain of any army, navy, air force or even star fleet in this world is expected remain a bit private and hidden about themselves. which is exactly why i think he hides a part of him. which come of as INTJ to many observers.

(2)
and mind you extreme T dominant(dependent) ENTJ are like INTJ. total suppression of feelings is common. and i think Picard is one of them.

(3)
another point to be made is Picards younger self. in the episode the Tapestry flashbacks of his youth are shown to him by Q. and he very much acts like a ENTJ in him youth.

(4)
and Picard himself admits that he made a lot of mistakes in his youth. ENTJ with a well developed tertiary Se and an Underdeveloped Ni acts a lot on their impulses. especially when they are YOUNG and when they are having fun. i think Picard is one of the best examples of this.

(5)
and i think Ni which is secondary to ENTJs develop with maturity. meanwhile because of the lack of Ni they will be inclined to use their Se which is tertiary but easier to use for such individuals.

polikujm
04-01-2009, 11:17 PM
I agree Ravana. Picard is much more Te and legalist. INTJs are too impressionable and realist for his role. More importantly ENTJs are strong team-based leaders. INTJs are much more in it to be completely in charge, plan and assign a system of lesser roles to people. ENTJs are less inclined to act quickly in critical circumstances than INTJs, so that I don't know about.

Riva
04-03-2009, 05:20 PM
I agree Ravana. Picard is much more Te and legalist. INTJs are too impressionable and realist for his role. More importantly ENTJs are strong team-based leaders. INTJs are much more in it to be completely in charge, plan and assign a system of lesser roles to people. ENTJs are less inclined to act quickly in critical circumstances than INTJs, so that I don't know about.

THANK YOU! for agreeing with me.:D

"INTJs are too impressionable" i noticed this in my INTJ friends. but they are my friends. i didn't know that it is true in other INTJs. and i am yet to realize this in INTJs in critical situations.

Ghostwheel
09-27-2011, 11:33 PM
Hmm, what strikes me as odd is that Picard is an INTJ and Data is an INTP and yet they are good friends and get along well. Don't INTPs and INTJs usually have a hard time getting along? I guess with Picard as a likely 1w9 INTJ rather than, say, a 5w4, we avoid the usual petty arguments those two types often find themselves in... any thoughts?


My husband is an INTJ. If I remember correctly, he is a 1w9. I am mostly an INTP. I'm not sure whether we are an exception to a commonality or the rumor is wrong, but we get along pretty well.

Never heard such a rumor. I'm INTJ, and I've always gotten along fine with INTPs of either gender.

TOS:

Kirk: ESTP
Spock: INTP
Scotty: ESTJ
McCoy: ENFJ

Anyway, Spock has always struck me as an INTP. The way he expresses himself with such certainty gives him an INTJ-like flair, but I think his thinking process is more expressly logical than intuitive. INTPs who have chewed on a problem long enough to work out its logic such that they fully believe themselves to be correct can represent themselves with the same kind of certainty that comes reflexively to INTJs. But with Spock the certainty isn't reflexive. It's the steel trap of flawless formal logic.

Just my take. Your milage may vary.

TNG:

Caiptan Picard : INTJ
William Riker: ESTP
Data: INTP
Geordi La Forge: INFP/ISFP
Doctor Crusher: INFJ/ISFJ
Diana Troy: INFP
Wesley Crusher: INFP
Worf: ISTJ
Chief O' Brien: ISTJ
Barclay: INTP
Guinan: INFP/INFJ

To my read, Giordi seems far too gentle, patient, flexible, and sensitive for a hard-charging ETJ.

Voyager:

Janeway: ENTJ
Chakotay: INFJ
Paris: ESTP
Belanna: ESTJ
Harry Kim: ENFJ
Tuvok: INTJ
Neelix: ENFP/ESFP
The Doctor: ENTP
Seven: INTP/INTJ
Kes: INFP
Vorik: INTP

Chakotay: very into his private search for self and understanding other viewpoints, but still a stand-alone individual, not a joiner; Harry Kim: constantly thinking about his parents and worried about how his absence might effect them, constantly full of hope and idealism (that THIS time, they're going top get home). Both seem very much "NF" types to me.

KDude
09-28-2011, 06:19 AM
I'd peg Scotty a Ti type before Spock even. He proposed more subjective thinking and theoretical workarounds than anyone (besides Kirk maybe), rather than be a steward of objective data or protocol...or what have you. Maybe his down-homey Scottish nature gives him an ESTJ vibe, I don't know, but I don't think he acts like one at all.

Same with Seven. More INTP than Spock.

Neelix is like the alien version of a doting grandma ESFJ.

Mal12345
09-28-2011, 10:49 PM
Disclaimer: only seen up to season 4.

My guess is either INFJ or possibly INFP. But she's portrayed as the most mature character on the show, which means she's gonna come across as pretty balanced in all areas.

Bartending isn't as sociable a job as it may seem, but it's the perfect job to watch people from without getting especially involved. Especially with all the dim lights. Plus, she rarely seems to seek out other people's company unless they have a problem she has to fix. She seems to prefer to stay in the background. So I don't think she's an E.

She's always giving people the bigger picture and how their problems fit into that (giving them perspective), which suggests N. And she's usually helping people with emotional problems especially, which suggests NF to me.

No clue when it comes to J/P. Leaning towards very balanced J. But she could easily be a P, because she seems (as has been mentioned) to see many different perspectives and she never seems to judge people for their failings.

Edit: I don't think she's a T because she seems more concerned with people than with anything else. And if she were an NT I think she would display a drive towards competence which I don't see in her character.

I have nothing to add to that. :happy0065::happy0065:

The Ü™
09-28-2011, 11:03 PM
In the 2009 movie, I think Kirk is an ESTP, Spock is an INTJ, Bones is an SJ of some kind (probably ISFJ if I was forced to guess), and Scotty is an ENTP.

KDude
11-04-2011, 05:07 PM
It just dawned on me that Belanna is the closest a fictional character gets to my mom. lol

ESTJ eh? :thinking:

andante
11-04-2011, 06:21 PM
B'Elanna's too emotionally volatile to be an ESTJ, even one who's in the grip of inferior Fi.

KDude
11-04-2011, 06:26 PM
B'Elanna's too emotionally volatile to be an ESTJ, even one who's in the grip of inferior Fi.

She's a half Klingon whose father left her when she was young, and had to deal with school kids who called her "turtlehead".

andante
11-04-2011, 06:39 PM
She's a half Klingon whose father left her when she was young, and had to deal with school kids who called her "turtlehead".Yes, I'm aware of her background. Voyager is one of my fave STs. But the way she flips out on Paris and pretty much everyone around her, doesn't point to an ESTJ.

Riva
11-04-2011, 06:47 PM
B'Elanna's too emotionally volatile to be an ESTJ, even one who's in the grip of inferior Fi.


Yes, I'm aware of her background. Voyager is one of my fave STs. But the way she flips out on Paris and pretty much everyone around her, doesn't point to an ESTJ.

ExTJs are less emotionally stable than some gives them credit for.
In the NT category ENTJs are the least emotionally stable of the group.
Also in my experience ESTJ flips out on their loved ones from time to time.
This is mostly evident due to their hugely observable natures.

Also I agree with Kdude is his typing of her as an ESTJ.

KDude
11-04-2011, 06:53 PM
Yes, I'm aware of her background. Voyager is one of my fave STs. But the way she flips out on Paris and pretty much everyone around her, doesn't point to an ESTJ.

You might be right. But I'm not sold on F either, just because of emotions. I have a hard time typing her myself. And on a side note.. my own mom too (But I'm serious about the resemblance...as far as fiction goes).

I might agree with someone above about Paris being ESTP. If they're both T, he's a good contrast on being the type that uses Fe and likes to deflect and humor people.

andante
11-04-2011, 06:55 PM
You might be right. But I'm not sold on F either, just because of emotions. I have a hard time typing her myself. And on a side note.. my own mom too (But I'm serious about the resemblance...as far as fiction goes).

I might agree with Paris being ESTP. If they're both T, he's a good contrast on being the type that uses Fe and likes to deflect and humor people.Yeah, it's difficult to type her since she displays a "splitting" personality.

Totally agree that Paris is an ESTP! Thrills, chills, Ti-ishness.

Riva
11-04-2011, 06:57 PM
Also I agree with Kdude is his typing of her as an ESTJ.


You might be right. But I'm not sold on F either, just because of emotions. I have a hard time typing her myself.

Well, that lasted only 5 minutes.

:mad:

KDude
11-04-2011, 06:59 PM
Well, that lasted only 5 minutes.

:mad:

lol.. I'm just confused is all. Not waffling... yet.

KDude
11-04-2011, 08:40 PM
I think Janeway might be ENTJ, but played by an ENFJ actress.

Whatever she is, she makes every other captain look like a wuss.

andante
11-04-2011, 09:36 PM
Oh yeah, Janeway's ENTJ. Just watch the episode "Counterpoint".

Riva
11-05-2011, 12:37 PM
I think Janeway might be ENTJ, but played by an ENFJ actress.

Whatever she is, she makes every other captain look like a wuss.


Oh yeah, Janeway's ENTJ. Just watch the episode "Counterpoint".

Yes at times she exhibits ENTJ qualities. (The episode you mentioned is an example.)

But most of the time she depends and implements traditional methods.
And she does not display Ni (Ahaa! moments) at all.
I would type her as an ESTJ.

On the other hand John Luc Picard is a stereotypical ENTJ.
He always always does something out of the box but smoothens the edges with Te.
And also although he exhibits introversion he is not an INTJ.
He is the captain of the ship and has to maintain a considerable amount of distance (emotional) from the crew.
His younger days (episode - Tapestry I believe) is a perfect example of his ENTJ nature.
Age has made him calmer, which could be mistaken to be introversion.

:)

Ghostwheel
11-05-2011, 12:48 PM
He is the captain of the ship and has to maintain a considerable amount of distance (emotional) from the crew.

His distance is extreme, even for a Captain. He didn't join the senior staff poker game until at the end of the seventh season. Compare to Kirk (ESTP), Sisko (ESTJ), and Janeway (ENTJ), all of whom are very much involved with their crew and senior staff.


His younger days (episode - Tapestry I believe) is a perfect example of his ENTJ nature.
Age has made him calmer, which could be mistaken to be introversion.

As an INTJ, I have to disagree with you. I, too, was sometimes a little brash and crazy like that when I was young.

Riva
11-05-2011, 02:21 PM
As an INTJ, I have to disagree with you. I, too, was sometimes a little brash and crazy like that when I was young.
The point you made is quite a good one since it is a real life example.
I can't deny your behaviour nor can I speak for INTJs since I am not one.


:)

But I have some more points to make.

His distance is extreme, even for a Captain. He didn't join the senior staff poker game until at the end of the seventh season..
In that episode we are both discussing he was not only wild and crazy, he was a player. I know quite lot of INTJs (many of whom are my best friends) from RL, all of whom exhibit many traits not common to stereotypical INTJ descriptions but one thing they are stereotypical in is that none of them are players.John Luc Picard in his youth was pretty much a reckless, impulsive player.

This could be due to a Te+Se loop. And obviously he has changed over time and has fallen to a Ni+Fi loop.

Riva
11-05-2011, 02:29 PM
Compare to Kirk (ESTP), Sisko (ESTJ), and Janeway (ENTJ), all of whom are very much involved with their crew and senior staff

Sisko -

What ever his type is he is not an ESTJ. His father was surely a one. But not him. No no. He was surely feeling based.
I guess all of us can agree on his J though.
And most of the episodes he struggles with making decisions due to his emotions getting in the way. So that suggests F.
And also his standards are internal based not external. That suggests I.
(And he emotionally bonds with his crew as opposed to socially bonding shown by Janeway.)
So for sisko I would believe IxFJ.

KDude
11-05-2011, 05:30 PM
It'd kind of hard seeing some of these as the same type. Picard almost seems natural with his diplomacy compared to Janeway. His personality is diplomatic. She's more authoritarian, and only diplomatic to a point.

She's also like Kirk in some ways with her any means necessary attitude that comes out sometimes (Granted.. it could be just because Kirk's and Janeway's missions handle the unknown a little more. Picard and Sisko work in established political settings). She also makes some other ruthless decisions that other Captains would have wussed out on. Like the episode "Tuvix". Only Janeway could do that. Any other series and we would have lost those cast members. lol. The way she recruits Seven of Nine is kind of control freakish too. She doesn't mind stomping on people and assuming she can make better choices for them, for a greater good.

Saturned
11-05-2011, 05:35 PM
Picard is definitely INTJ to me.

Robopop
11-05-2011, 05:50 PM
Sisko -

What ever his type is he is not an ESTJ. His father was surely a one. But not him. No no. He was surely feeling based.
I guess all of us can agree on his J though.
And most of the episodes he struggles with making decisions due to his emotions getting in the way. So that suggests F.
And also his standards are internal based not external. That suggests I.
(And he emotionally bonds with his crew as opposed to socially bonding shown by Janeway.)
So for sisko I would believe IxFJ.

Yeah Sisko is most likely a INFJ, he's almost like a stereotypical one, with the prophet thing and all.

AphroditeGoneAwry
11-05-2011, 05:57 PM
I :heart: Jon-Luc Picard. But who doesn't?

He is a quintessential, healthy INTJ in my estimation, and utilizes most of his functions pretty effectively. He likes to retire to his room and listen to and play fine music, a very introverted quality, imo. His is very loyal romantically as well, leaning toward asceticism. I see him as appreciating equality in his relationships, not domineering at all, as I perceive (and know) entjs would more likely be.


Jon Luc Picard - ENTJ

everyone of you have labeled him as a INTJ. care to explain?

these are the reasons why i think he is an ENTJ -

(1)
most people think he is an INTJ is i think because he is extremely private about his emotions, thoughts etc. much like a INTJ. but the thing is he is the captain of the ship. he has to be a bit more private than the rest of the crew. captain of any army, navy, air force or even star fleet in this world is expected remain a bit private and hidden about themselves. which is exactly why i think he hides a part of him. which come of as INTJ to many observers.

He holds himself back a bit. It's unconscious. And I believe this is a dom Ni trait--holding back a bit (and allowing Ni to do it's thing). His body language is reserved.



(2)
and mind you extreme T dominant(dependent) ENTJ are like INTJ. total suppression of feelings is common. and i think Picard is one of them.

He isn't Te dom though, because Te doms are pretty sure they are always right (until proven otherwise, which is nearly impossible :laugh: ) and others are wrong. Picard always gets the input of his team, and is very open to alternative suggestions, hardly arguing at all when new, better ideas are put forth.



(3)
another point to be made is Picards younger self. in the episode the Tapestry flashbacks of his youth are shown to him by Q. and he very much acts like a ENTJ in him youth.

Don't know about that. Link?



(4)
and Picard himself admits that he made a lot of mistakes in his youth. ENTJ with a well developed tertiary Se and an Underdeveloped Ni acts a lot on their impulses. especially when they are YOUNG and when they are having fun. i think Picard is one of the best examples of this.

Meh, who doesn't make a lot of mistakes in their youth?



(5)
and i think Ni which is secondary to ENTJs develop with maturity. meanwhile because of the lack of Ni they will be inclined to use their Se which is tertiary but easier to use for such individuals.

Who says it's tertiary? I could see his function line-up being this: Ni-Si/Te/Fe :smile:

Ghostwheel
11-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Sisko -

What ever his type is he is not an ESTJ. His father was surely a one. But not him. No no. He was surely feeling based.
I guess all of us can agree on his J though.
And most of the episodes he struggles with making decisions due to his emotions getting in the way. So that suggests F.
And also his standards are internal based not external. That suggests I.
(And he emotionally bonds with his crew as opposed to socially bonding shown by Janeway.)
So for sisko I would believe IxFJ.


Yeah Sisko is most likely a INFJ, he's almost like a stereotypical one, with the prophet thing and all.

Typing fictional characters, of course, is a hazardous exercise. As they are not real, with no real psychic forces inside, they may not always be as consistent in their behavior as us real people. Especially in a TV series that spans many episodes over seven seasons written by different writers.

That said, I think Sisko is ESTJ because I see him consistently display very ESTJ-ish behavior. Your own milage may vary, but here are some of my reasons. Each one individually may not be persuasive, but consider the weight and number of them all together:


The prophet thing was something that was imposed upon him by alien beings ... indeed, he's half alien himself. Unlike say, Chakotay (INFJ), he never had religion as a factor in his life until then. Note too that Chakotay's always trying to understand other crew members' point of view. For him empathy comes first. The prophet thing is something Sisko struggles with because spirituality doesn't come easily to him. It takes him a long time to accept the role, which is in open conflict with his Starfleet role, a traditional, externally derived role he is much more comfortable with.


How many times does Sisko explode in anger and say stuff like, "I don't give a damn (insert blank)." Pretty often. He has absolutely no hesitation setting forth relationships on the basis of hierarchy and top dog parameters. He's very comfortable with his authority, which he doesn't hesitate to wield like club. He's easily the most militaristic of the captains, even before the war starts. Other good scenes are when the senior staff are exchanging gossip and Sisko bellows at them to get back to work. I remember that happening several times, and it's very ESTJ-ish. I also recall a few times where someone says to him, meekishly, "Captain, I wrong wrong," and Sisko blurts out, "Damn right you were wrong!" He really rubs it in sometimes, which is super ESTJ-ish. Compare to INFJ handholding and empathic masochism. Remember when Chakotay finds out he'd eaten soup that Seska stole from Neelix? IIRC, he grounds everyone involved—including himself!


Intuition? All his pastimes are very hands-on sensor based activities. Baseball. Cooking. Solar sailing even to the point of constructing the ship himself.


Then there's his long-standing rivalry with Solok. Sisko pretty much hates the guy. What would Chakotay do? He'd try talking over his differences with Solok. Remember the ball-game episode? I can't see Chakotay taking the bait out of pride and anger like Sisko did. INFJ seems more likely to say something psychologically insightful and then turn down Solok's challenge. But ESTJ just can't resist taking it up. Further in that episode—anybody remember when Sisko benches Nog on account of Nog's athletic ineptitude? Would Chakotay (INFJ) hurt the feelings of a friend over a stupid game who's stakes are mere pride? Sisko eventually realized he was wrong to bench Nog, but it took him a while to realize he was wrong, didn't it? His first reaction to Nog's ineptitude was anger, and a bullying anger at that.


There was the way he first approached his first wife. He just walked right up to her and announced she was the woman he was going to marry, as I recall. It was extremely brash and unsubtle. Very ESTJ. Compare to Chakotay's much more sophisticated courtship of Seven in Voyager's final season.


First episode: his anger at Picard. INFJ, one of the most empathic types, would be the first to understand that Locutus was not Picard. Would Chakotay blame Picard for Locutus' actions? I can't see it. But Sisko carries the anger with him for years. It seems very ESTJ-like to me.

KDude
11-06-2011, 03:03 PM
I think Chakotay is ISFJ. What makes you think INFJ? As far as other Voyager character go, I think Kes is more INFJ.

entropie
11-06-2011, 09:27 PM
Any real entps in startrek are Q, Tom Paris and Charles "Trip" Tucker. Tho Trip could be an enfp as well.

KDude
11-07-2011, 06:31 PM
Any real entps in startrek are Q, Tom Paris and Charles "Trip" Tucker. Tho Trip could be an enfp as well.

I don't remember that much about Trip. Paris just seems like a hands-on rather than conceptual thinker. He doesn't propose many ideas or theorize anything. The only experiments he initiates is when he wants to be the test pilot for some new warp engine or rebuilding an old pickup truck. He's pretty down to earth and seems content with a lot of things. Unlike a character like Q, who lives for experimenting and seeing things in new ways.

entropie
11-08-2011, 07:08 AM
But Paris constructs the delta flyer all on his own and in the episode "year of hell" he has the idea to construct bulkheads for the ship. I dunno if you always have to be batshit crazy to count as entp

KDude
11-08-2011, 07:20 AM
But Paris constructs the delta flyer all on his own and in the episode "year of hell" he has the idea to construct bulkheads for the ship. I dunno if you always have to be batshit crazy to count as entp

I don't think you have to be crazy at all. Heh. Q is a unique case, and probably not typical. All Q are bored and probably already experimented with almost everything...leaving the things left for them to do to be questionable.

Evan
11-08-2011, 07:44 AM
TNG

Picard : INTJ
Riker: ESTP
Data: INTP
Geordi: ESFP
Beverly Crusher: ISFJ
Troi: ENFP
Worf: ISTJ
Guinan: INFJ
Wesley Crusher: ENFJ
Q: ENTP

edit: not so sure about Geordi

msg_v2
05-26-2013, 05:34 PM
Spock: ENFP
Kirk: ISFJ
Khan: ESFP
Bones: INTP
Uhura: ENTP
Sulu: ENTP
Scotty: INFP
Chekov: INTJ