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    Follow my passions. I have no qualms living a minimalistic lifestyle so that I can do what I love. I will give up a lot of what I don't want to get the one thing that I do want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GZA View Post
    What dreams do you guys have/did you chase?
    I want to be a comic book writer; no spotlight or red carpet for me. Only the respect of my colleagues and fans. Oh, and also for the hot cosplay chicks at con.
    I know a girl, she's one of a kind
    But the poor little thing, she's going out of her mind
    There's something you forgot - there's a reason why she's lost
    Cos baby she don't want to be found

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    LMFAO awsome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    do you think it is better to follow ambitions which lead to success (by society's definition) and to do what "makes sense", or to follow your passions regardless of the disadvantages your lifestyle may suffer?

    if so many people say the same thing, do you think that gives it more credit (ie, maybe they're on to something you dont know?)
    Do what you think will make you happy. If you'll be happy with "success" as defined by our society, then go for that. If you'll be happier following your passions and don't mind making do with less, there's no point in not trying that option out first.

    Other people don't necessarily know more than you. I think most of the difference in opinion stems from a difference in wants and desires.

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    If you are lucky enough to be well paid for your passion do it. If not, then find something to get paid for that you can tolerate and pursue your passions outside of that. Nothing wrong with having a passion as a hobby. That's success in my opinion, doing what makes you happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    Do what you think will make you happy. If you'll be happy with "success" as defined by our society, then go for that. If you'll be happier following your passions and don't mind making do with less, there's no point in not trying that option out first.

    Other people don't necessarily know more than you. I think most of the difference in opinion stems from a difference in wants and desires.
    very wise. perhaps it is not that one is necessary right and the other wrong, but that i just don't value success in the eyes of others.

    Quote Originally Posted by GZA View Post
    What dreams do you guys have/did you chase?
    im not sure what my "dreams" are. as a kid i fantasized about adventuring, i always wanted to be a fighter jet pilot. a more mature version of those desires are exploring the outdoors and far reaches of the planet.

    when it comes to working hard, i need a good reason... making someone else money is hardly motivating. i dont really belong to this era... i identify a lot with roles people have had in past ages, and it seems like a lot of honor has been lost in why we do what we do.

    i guess i asked this question because i am at a junction. for the past year or so i have been thinking about going to college to study engineering, something im confident i will be good at, but im good at what i do now and i dont enjoy that. it is a huge commitment of time and money and i dont want to repeat mistakes. i will probably like it, but the fact of the matter is that i dont think i could ever love it.

    im not sure if im cut out for a desk job. i have another type of job in mind, something that would have a lot of meaning to me, but it's tough and doesn't pay well. it's also something i could eventually take to the mountains and more unfriendly parts of the earth and the people who need it there.

    it's easy to say i should "obviously" follow that, but it's a tougher decision than many people think, considering i have a lot of what society values in my hands and i would be throwing that away for my own meaning of success and happiness... it makes me question my perspective of it all. believe it or not, i dont completely ignore everyone else's way of doing things. i still have a lot of my life in front of me, that is a luxury... i dont want to blow it.

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    like grayscale, i do not know really what my "dreams" are... when I was a child I loved cars, so I wanted to become a car desinger or car constructor, as a teenager i dreamed to become a professional Basketball-player, but realizesd with 17 i could never make it.
    So I finished high school and preepared for law school...At first I hated law school and struggled in it,
    my interests are extremly vague: I like politics, philosophy, psychology, spirituallity , anthrophology etc. but I cannot see myself in any of those fields except doing researchwork...
    Now I m at the standpoint, that I want to finish law... and propably become an attorney... if this is not for me: make the Phd and try to work at a collge...
    I think with both jobs I could combine passion and ambtion, the only problem is: i have to finish law school
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    You must make a living. You must create value. We are not separate from the material world. Other animals hunt or graze, we labor.

    Creating value means providing something that other people want, so that they will exchange money (which is the quintessence of value itself). You labor to produce, whether that be working for someone else or working independently. We exchange this labor for the means to survive and prosper.

    Where most people fail in pursuing their "passions" (whatever that means) is that they fail to monetize their labor. They even sometimes feel like it is beneath themselves to demand money for their produce. If you cannot reasonably demand money for your work, what does that say about how you regard your work? That it is not valuable? Is what you produce valuable? If so, you can make a living from it.

    You must create value to exchange it for money. If you are creating art that no one wants, are you really creating art? Think about that.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    You must make a living. You must create value. We are not separate from the material world. Other animals hunt or graze, we labor.

    Creating value means providing something that other people want, so that they will exchange money (which is the quintessence of value itself). You labor to produce, whether that be working for someone else or working independently. We exchange this labor for the means to survive and prosper.

    Where most people fail in pursuing their "passions" (whatever that means) is that they fail to monetize their labor. They even sometimes feel like it is beneath themselves to demand money for their produce. If you cannot reasonably demand money for your work, what does that say about how you regard your work? That it is not valuable? Is what you produce valuable? If so, you can make a living from it.

    You must create value to exchange it for money. If you are creating art that no one wants, are you really creating art? Think about that.
    That doesn't make sense. All you've managed to say here is that if you're creating art that no one wants, you're not going to get any money for it. Where do you get the idea that if one doesn't receive money for their art (or doesn't want to receive money for their work), that they don't regard it as valuable, or that it is not valuable in some other way?
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