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    Quote Originally Posted by tenINsFJ View Post
    Essentially, all the entire Med School program is designed for, is to weed people out by keep it a 13 yr program[4 under + 4 med + 5 Residency, unless they changed it since the last time I looked].

    And to be honest, if it's 5-6 years, you're going to have a lot more people joining that profession to acquire a "title" of doctor. I'd rather know that my Doctor really wanted to be in that profession, and dedicated a tough 11-13 years of schooling to treat patients. If someone is going to be dealing with my health, I want it to be the best, not someone that just wants the easy way in, and easy way out.
    This is why I think the requirements to get in, in the first place should be even more rigorous than they are now. I wasn't counting residency and or fellowship in the 5-6 year program. I have quite a few people close to me that are doctors, and I will most likely follow suit. I understand where your coming from, but I believe only two years of undergrad prep are necessary before entering med school. I wasn't suggesting med school be cut short. Just undergrad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Ayrab View Post
    You want 11-13 of my best years, and I want your money, I think we can work something out.
    Deal.

    And PS, what year are you in? the last two years of med school are a lot easier than the first two, and residency isn't extremely bad. you still can enjoy yourself and have a life.

    And if you aren't enjoying it, and claiming it's taking the best of your years, then why pursue it?

    just for money?

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    Interesting suggestion about cutting undergrad short. I know what you mean. I was on the MCB route for three years, and then switched over to another major.

    Essentially the prerequirements to get into med school are:
    1 year bio w/ lab
    1 year chem w/ lab
    1 year gen physics w/lab
    1 year organic chem w/lab
    1 year calc

    not too bad.

    so.. you cut undergrad short. do you get a degree? if not... you do your two years of undergrad and go into medical school and pick your specialty. you end up finding it very difficult and drop med school. you wasted a good year or two, where are you at now? no degree.

    what if someone does the pre reqs for med school and wants to major in music, english, or whatever. they have to get a degree in that first, and then pursue medical school, or any other class beside the pre reqs for med school wouldn't matter. you can't assume everyone is taking strictly science courses before heading into med school.

    it's a career path that only the dedicated will truly take, those with passion for the job, or just sheer determination.. both of those traits I think make for good physicians. to cut things short(even undergrad by two years), IMO, wouldn't work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenINsFJ View Post
    Deal.

    And PS, what year are you in? the last two years of med school are a lot easier than the first two, and residency isn't extremely bad. you still can enjoy yourself and have a life.

    And if you aren't enjoying it, and claiming it's taking the best of your years, then why pursue it?

    just for money?
    #2 and you betcha, I see the light at the end of the tunnel and it looks sexa. No no, I was kidding, I love it. Well, I see it as a job as of right now. Honestly who the hell bust nuts off of taking the USMLE's and mock case presentations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenINsFJ View Post
    Interesting suggestion about cutting undergrad short. I know what you mean. I was on the MCB route for three years, and then switched over to another major.

    Essentially the prerequirements to get into med school are:
    1 year bio w/ lab
    1 year chem w/ lab
    1 year gen physics w/lab
    1 year organic chem w/lab
    1 year calc

    not too bad.

    so.. you cut undergrad short. do you get a degree? if not... you do your two years of undergrad and go into medical school and pick your specialty. you end up finding it very difficult and drop med school. you wasted a good year or two, where are you at now? no degree.

    what if someone does the pre reqs for med school and wants to major in music, english, or whatever. they have to get a degree in that first, and then pursue medical school, or any other class beside the pre reqs for med school wouldn't matter. you can't assume everyone is taking strictly science courses before heading into med school.

    it's a career path that only the dedicated will truly take, those with passion for the job, or just sheer determination.. both of those traits I think make for good physicians. to cut things short(even undergrad by two years), IMO, wouldn't work out.
    ill be the first to admit that i am in a way, "selling out". I went from "being a doc would be nice, I can help people without having to starve, im kind of a generalist and they need GPs anyways...I dont want work in an office building for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week like my dad" to "well today, you have to be a specialist for it to be worth it" to "well even the specialists have to work 60 to 70 hours a week to make the money that breaks even with their investment (including non material investments)" to "well I guess if I'm a [insert grossly $$$rich$$$ specialty] then Im motivated" and finaly to "I have other connections. I have much easier ways to get a high paying 60-70 hour a week job...without all this hoop jumping"

    Maybe you're right. Clearly there are tons people who will put up with the way it is, so why change it and risk leading people without the "determination" down a path they may end up hating?

    I think what it comes down to for me, is that being a Doc lacks the kind of growth potential/master scheming that I find fun. Once you're a doctor, the most you can do is try to see more patients (referring to growth). The job's biggest bonus (security) is was originally attracted me. Now however, I view that security as its biggest drawback (I fear boredome/complacency...not enough 'achievement' beyond actually getting the MD letters--which is a big achievement that i dont mean to belittle)

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    Are you in undergrad or med school?

    Edit: Nevermind I see that you are in undergrad.

    Do you have an another career path in mind yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Are you in undergrad or med school?

    Edit: Nevermind I see that you are in undergrad.

    Do you have an another career path in mind yet?
    I personally think he should go to med school, just to prove to himself that he can, and then drop out and do whatever he wants. That way, he can be part of the cool but small/rare elite that dropped out of med school, cuz they found it boring or something of that nature...

    EDIT: I just read over it, and damn does it sound mean... It was not intended as a mean thing, I was just saying that I believe you are better than 117 premeders combined. Your rock wall-e

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Ayrab View Post
    I personally think he should go to med school, just to prove to himself that he can, and then drop out and do whatever he wants. That way, he can be part of the cool but small/rare elite that dropped out of med school, cuz they found it boring or something of that nature...

    EDIT: I just read over it, and damn does it sound mean... It was not intended as a mean thing, I was just saying that I believe you are better than 117 premeders combined. Your rock wall-e
    I currently have an A in organic chem... If I can keep that, thats good enough for me as far as the "At least I know I could of gotten in". Does an A in Ochem prove you can be a doctor? No. Will it satisfy that inner voice that wants to know if I'm even smart enough to GET IN to medschool (as apposed to the bigger deal of surviving medschool)? Yes.

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    I'm sorry it's been so hard for you, BC. They shouldn't discourage such bright willing people from being medical professionals. A good doctor is like a good mechanic: there may be 20 garages in town, but only 5 are worth the money and confidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    I currently have an A in organic chem... If I can keep that, thats good enough for me as far as the "At least I know I could of gotten in". Does an A in Ochem prove you can be a doctor? No. Will it satisfy that inner voice that wants to know if I'm even smart enough to GET IN to medschool (as apposed to the bigger deal of surviving medschool)? Yes.
    Hell yeah an A in o-chem is pocketable braggring rights. Keep up the good work and good luck in anything you choose to do.

    On a side note, I think I finally come to terms that I will never ever be an OB/GYN, by choice that is. Hell, most guys love coochi, but my god...

    No offense to the other half of the population or the great doctors that work with them. It's just one of those things you know you won't be good at. Dang... Now I feel sexist...

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