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    Default Do you have grit? Is grit really a good thing?




    Why Some Students Fail And Other Students Succeed - Illumeably

    Why Some Students Fail And Other Students Succeed

    What separates students who get straight A’s from students who struggle to pass their classes? Is it a high IQ that pushes students to excel in their classes or is there something else? Angela Lee Duckworth, a teacher turned psychologist, has an answer to that question. After several studies conducted in the military, spelling bees, classrooms, and companies, Angela determined what causes people to excel. Simply put Duckworth says, IQ was not the only difference between my best and my worst students.

    In fact, she often saw cases in which students with higher IQ scores performed worse than students with lower IQ scores. So now we are back to our initial question–what separates students who get straight A’s from students who struggle to pass their classes?

    Angela says grit is the separating factor. She defines grit as “passion and perseverance for very long-term goals”. Contrary to popular belief, grit has a more significant correlation to high school graduation rates than things like family income and social status do. So now you know you do not need to be some inherently intelligent individual to succeed in life, but how do you form grit?

    Unfortunately, the answer is not easy and science does not have enough studies showing what actually builds grit, but on the bright side, we do not need to be talented individuals. Angela has observed cases where high talent could be inversely related to grit–in other words, the more talent one possesses, the less grit they may posses.

    Additionally, Angela offers some hope from a study called “growth mindset” performed by Stanford’s Dr. Carol Dweck. Angela says the concept of growth mindset is, “the belief that the ability to learn is not fixed and it can change with your effort.” This means that if you failed to show grit in the past, you still have time to develop it.
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    Bah. Public school is twelve years of parroting. They apparently don't expect a student to think until college. Which leaves Mr Football Hero and Miss Pom Pom Queen all sorts of confused.

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    The downside to grit is plowing straight ahead through mountains and trenches, straight through rivers with the steely bulldozer of sheer will.
    One can also be a river that finds the path of least resistance with a similar insistence that maximizes outcome for minimal effort,

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    I always figured it was a good work ethic, which I lack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
    I always figured it was a good work ethnic, which I lack.
    I think work ethic is often (though I would guess not always) related to the motivation to acheive long term goals described in the OP article.
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    Indeed. The answer was simple and in front of everyone noses. The public school system needn't not worry anymore about engaging children, and parents not worry about supporting them. It's all on the kid, if they have grit, they'll overcome all barriers, including: bullying, undiagnosed mental disorders, abuses of physical, emotional and sexual, stress from divorcing parents, apathy brought on by neglect, scapegoating teachers.

    Education; Yes, it's that easy!

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    IDK

    I used to think of grit as physical and mental toughness or endurance, which was kind of like a lot of books and media has referred to as resilience, for a long time I thought these were good things, I guess I'm not entirely dissuaded of that point even now, at least not altogether but I'm a lot more skeptical these days.

    A lot of it appears to be people encouraging others to tolerate or develop coping strategies for dealing with pretty horrendous stuff which they themselves are not that interested in dealing with, I can think of a couple of old war comics that (in what was admittedly an atrociously simplified and one dimensional way, comics were just for kids back then and kids were meant to be stupid) dealt with the topic well, the top brass breezing in and out kind of thing.

    I've not seen much talk of grit, resilient or what the current tagline actually is that wants to spend much time, or any time at all when I think about it, on the natural limits of those ideas, about what does happen when those limits are met or the trait or talent is over taxed. Also that, honestly, I dont think that it actually matters a damn, other factors could out weigh it a lot, do out weigh it a lot, dynamics, politics, context etc. etc.

    Most of the people who actually possess grit are not going to get much credit for it, that's the kid whose parenting their siblings, getting bullied and their parents are abscent or hopeless, one of the on screen versions of this that I like was white bone, the hunger games actress' break through movie, and instead some white collar exec. who attends a few seminars and makes the "hard choice" to fire a host of people in some division or facility they've never seen or are likely to gets the credit instead.

    I'm reading a book at the minute, it was written in the thirties, it was called "in praise of idleness", I was skeptical about it too given the title although he's talking about what would be called "time poverty" these days, anyway, Russell says that management and people selling their ideas to managers expand over time and I'd say he's right. This sounds like more of that.
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    Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire

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    I think the idea of trying to quantify grit is hilarious, and I'm 100% behind it.

    And I can see how grit is a major factor in long term success. Winston Churchill summed it up perfectly when he said, "Success is going from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm."

    I've always been someone to get back in the saddle when I'm kicked off, and it has finally paid off after years of getting a bruised rump. It might be shameless optimism, but I prefer to call it grit.
    "The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater." --J.R.R. Tolkien

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    Look to the FFM. It's likely the same or related to the Conscientiousness factor.
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    People with higher IQ see how pointless education really is, hence suck at it. The sheep who can muster the grit to keep on going, don't question the silly reasons they even have for wanting their education cause they got society's carrot dangling in front of them. There I solved the mystery for ya. I mean who is born saying "i want to study and get a degree so I can get societal approval so i can feel kinda good about myself...if only for a little while, as I wait for my inevitable mid-life crisis" ?

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