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    -You will need 6 years to finish your PhD as a full time student.
    -Approximately 5% of Philosophers attain a professorship.
    -In order to be in that 5% you must attend a prestigious school. (This far from guarantees a position for you). At a fourth league school you will be competing with 100 others for a professorship. At a community college, 50 at least. At a primary league school, 1 out of 400-500. Ivy league, approximately a thousand.

    Similar scenario is to be encountered for many academic professorship positions, psychology is one of them.
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    Colin McGinn's The Making of a Philosopher: My Journey Through Twentieth-Century Philosophy was instrumental in my decision to not become a philosopher.

    There are certain things I like about the field, but I am not sure I have anything original to contribute here (though, as I get older, I do wonder if that was too hasty a decision).

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    Also a good segue to law if you find you can sacrifice the time, the ability to investigate nature (as opposed to conflicts), and work within certain rules to persuade rather than understand...for wads of money.

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    Philosophy is too easy
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    i'm a philosophy major. if you're not going down the academic track, you'll have a decent chance in policy work. time magazine did a piece a while back asking businesses they would like their employees to have. obviously, people expected business degrees to win out. funnily enough, philosophy was first. no shit! when it comes to general skills you would need in the business world such as critical thinking, verbal communication, debating etc. there is no better general degree than philosophy. having said that, i'm going down the academic track .

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    Quote Originally Posted by animenagai View Post
    i'm a philosophy major. if you're not going down the academic track, you'll have a decent chance in policy work. time magazine did a piece a while back asking businesses they would like their employees to have. obviously, people expected business degrees to win out. funnily enough, philosophy was first. no shit! when it comes to general skills you would need in the business world such as critical thinking, verbal communication, debating etc. there is no better general degree than philosophy. having said that, i'm going down the academic track .
    And why would a person with a business degree lack critical thinking, verbal communication and debate capability? I suspect that those businesses wanted philosophy majors so that they'd accept a lower entry wage in comparison to a business major due to the fact that the degree isn't particularly related to the role they're going to cover. I am not trying to shit philosophy majors here, I am only saying that in this specific case bussinesses could have an ulterior motive for their choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Somehow I think it all depends on whether you want to pursue your own independent thought where it leads or whether you want to be a mouthpiece for a modern think-tank.

    Do you like to grind lenses?
    Shoe-maker is another possible career choice for philosophers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    And why would a person with a business degree lack critical thinking, verbal communication and debate capability? I suspect that those businesses wanted philosophy majors so that they'd accept a lower entry wage in comparison to a business major due to the fact that the degree isn't particularly related to the role they're going to cover. I am not trying to shit philosophy majors here, I am only saying that in this specific case bussinesses could have an ulterior motive for their choice.
    Essentially all educational programs will train critical thinking faculties. Business considerably less so than philosophy as it does not force one to analyze complex ideas as rigorously as one is in the philosophy program.

    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Colin McGinn's The Making of a Philosopher: My Journey Through Twentieth-Century Philosophy was instrumental in my decision to not become a philosopher.

    There are certain things I like about the field, but I am not sure I have anything original to contribute here (though, as I get older, I do wonder if that was too hasty a decision).

    Explain your reasoning further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Explain your reasoning further.
    I had become some what of a "fan" of McGinn in High School and read excerpts of his books from the local library. Especially on subjects of meaning, mind, and consciousness and other such things.

    Through college, I had decided to focus on Mathematics and Engineering and chose Engineering as a career, but still had some interest in philosophy (enough so that I had a reputation for being philosophical among the Engineering students).

    I had early regrets about going into Engineering in a corporate environment when I graduated, because it was right after the dot-com bust, and much of the innovative work opportunities were simply not being funded--everything became about getting the next product to market.

    When McGinn wrote his "intellectual autobiography," it was instantly on my "must-read" list. I was even thinking I could see how to make a career change.

    But I found that there were similar issues with "self-selection" in academia and distrust of intellectualism outside of academia that I had seen in Engineering. In fact, it seemed, somehow, universal. In addition, McGinn himself seemed disillusioned in finding answers to the questions he had first sought to answer, and seemed like he had resorted to dealing with fiction.

    Also, I saw very clearly how limiting not having empirical methods can be in the search for truth, since I was spending long hours in the lab debugging silicon during the same period I was reading the book.

    I found the critical thinking done in the lab to be much more satisfying; I brought more of my "philosophical" engineering style into the lab (encouraged by "re-discovering" my interest in it through McGinns book) earning me a promotion at work.

    The summary is that I found that critical thinking could be applied equally well outside of philosophy, and at the same time more likely to yield tenable answers if empirical methods are utilized in conjunction with logic.

    One reason I second guessed the decision to not pursue philosophy as a career, is that Engineering in a corporate environment (even in lab-work) has become increasingly bureaucratic, and more effort is needed to simply obtain basic equipment, tools, and documentation than it does to do actual engineering work. Beyond that, I find I am solving the same problems over-and-over again. What used to take critical thinking, is now done by route and brute-force. Finally, management no longer has the patience to look for the "root" of issues, and simply wants "workarounds" all the time.

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