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    I don't care about the history of a word, just what it means.
    No offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6sticks View Post
    I don't care about the history of a word, just what it means.
    The meaning of a word is its history of use.
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    I razed a slum, Amen.

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    You are actually making fun of Catholics whenever you say Hocus Pocus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    You are actually making fun of Catholics whenever you say Hocus Pocus.
    good call... "hoc est enim corpus meum" ==> "hoc est corpus" ==> "hocus pocus"... though to be fair the Catholic laity probably came up with it...

    I don't buy most of the other etymological stories... OED, from what I recall, said it came from local magicians' saying something like "hax pax" when doing tricks, but that itself must have come from the liturgy, so it amounts to the same thing.
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    One of my friends this summer read with a dictionary in hand, writing down the new words he wanted to remember in a novel. Well, at least the ones he found interesting and wanted to use again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    The meaning of a word is its history of use.
    This is very true, particularly for English.

    As English has been borrowing words from other languages for a very long time.

    And each English word has its own history. And the history of an English word can be deciphered in part from its spelling.

    From this point of view it is unfortunate that Noah Webster, the great American lexicographer, was a deeply committed political revolutionary and so quite naturally, and with the best of intentions, tried to revolutionise English.

    He was extraordinarily successful and created American English with its own spelling.

    This had the effect of casting American English partially adrift from English.

    And so we have the quite humourous saying of your President that French has no word for entrepreneur.

    And of course in the larger sphere all revolutionaries overthrow history and want to start again. We saw this, for instance, in Cambodia where the revolutionaries started again from Year Zero, with disastrous results.

    Noah Webster was only partially successful but he did cut American English from its history. And you can see this in America today which is more focused on the future than the past.

    And if we don't know where we have been, we move into the future somewhat blind.

    However American English has enormous energy as does America as whole, and we all benefit from this.

    And although French may have no word for entrepreneur, America is full of the most wonderful entrepreneurs.

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    ^ This was probably one of your best posts ever, Victor.

    EVEN though I don't agree with everything here... since for me American English was not essentially different simply due to Webster... it really came into its own with distinctively American advertising, pulp comics, cinema, television, musical forms like blues, jazz, rock, and today, rap and hip-hop...
    Madman's azure lie: a zen miasma ruled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    ^ This was probably one of your best posts ever, Victor.

    EVEN though I don't agree with everything here... since for me American English was not essentially different simply due to Webster... it really came into its own with distinctively American advertising, pulp comics, cinema, television, musical forms like blues, jazz, rock, and today, rap and hip-hop...
    You are quite right - American English has a vitality all of its own.

    But I would like to confess to you, providing you don't tell anyone.

    For quite a long time I had an antipathy to American English and I refused to read American literature. And I would rail against Americanisms. But eventually it blew my mind.

    And I further confess that I am tempted to imitate my American cousins. But I can't quite do it. Perhaps it is because I never fell in love with Jazz. Or perhaps it is just that I lack the energy.

    Nevertheless I have found an alternative in the Noosphere where I write, as you see, Telegraphic Prose.

    And I am even thinking of leaving text behind and speaking to you by video in the Noosphere.

    But so far I haven't found the rhythms to do this or the tone or even the words.

    So I have been struck dumb not only by American English but also by the Noosphere.

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    Find the purpose of your communication and then work backwards.

    Ted, yours seems to be to unlock others' Ni whilst exercising your own.


    I still think Charlie Chaplin is pretty far up there in terms of efficiency of communication.


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    Quote Originally Posted by colmena View Post
    Ted, yours seems to be to unlock others' Ni whilst exercising your own.
    This is a very nice thing to say.

    Ted.

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