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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I know ser is used for more permanent things and estar is temporary but I dunno some how i keep getting them confused. I know ser is with time and place of origin but I dunno i keep reviewing it and I can do the separate but when I have to combine them I get confused so does anyone know any tricks to keep them straight because it's like i switch their uses. this is a big part of my final. I am get with the reflexive verbs, the direct and indirect pronouns (seperate and combined) but what seems like to be something easy i am not grasping.

    P.S. I'm only in spanish one so we only deal with the present tense currently

    It's my understanding that it only gets more confusing. Buy a verb book! They're immensely helpful!
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    On a related note, native Spanish/Portuguese speakers face a similar problem with the verbs make & do, as there's a single word for both.

    'Hacer'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    On a related note, native Spanish/Portuguese speakers face a similar problem with the verbs make & do, as there's a single word for both.

    'Hacer'
    we were routinely told to make our homework in several spanish classes
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    I am a native Spanish speaker. I never associated those two things in my mind before.

    Ser is To be. Ser humano= Human being

    Ser sincero = being sincere

    Is something you always are. And is unconditional.

    Estar is being in some place,in some status of mind or physical condition.

    Estar cansado= Being tired

    Estar sentado= ''being'' sit. (the subject is sitting in that moment)

    You sometimes are tired, sometimes you don´t, sometimes you are sitting sometimes you don't

    Just in a few cases like emotional cases can be used both

    Ser feliz, Estar feliz

    But Ser feliz is more long term
    Estar feliz is more about the present moment, or some other specific time.

    ''Deseo estar feliz'' I wish to be happy -sometime in the future-

    ''Deseo ser feliz'' I wish to be happy -Always-

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    Quote Originally Posted by cm81 View Post
    It's my understanding that it only gets more confusing. Buy a verb book! They're immensely helpful!
    don´t abuse of grammar rules text books. they mess up with the brain badly. Learn intuitively, it works.
    I never opened an English grammar book before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaru View Post
    I am a native Spanish speaker. I never associated those two things in my mind before.

    Ser is To be. Ser humano= Human being

    Ser sincero = being sincere

    Is something you always are. And is unconditional.

    Estar is being in some place,in some status of mind or physical condition.

    Estar cansado= Being tired

    Estar sentado= ''being'' sit. (the subject is sitting in that moment)

    You sometimes are tired, sometimes you don´t, sometimes you are sitting sometimes you don't

    Just in a few cases like emotional cases can be used both

    Ser feliz, Estar feliz

    But Ser feliz is more long term
    Estar feliz is more about the present moment, or some other specific time.

    ''Deseo estar feliz'' I wish to be happy -sometime in the future-

    ''Deseo ser feliz'' I wish to be happy -Always-

    Hope this helps

    ok but in english if you want to say i am tired (currently) you say i am tired but if you want to say you are forever tired you say i am always tired both those senteces uses the word am as in spanish one would be ser and the other estar.

    it's more of keeping them straight because we use the same being verb to describe both temporary and permanent conditions
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I know ser is used for more permanent things and estar is temporary but I dunno some how i keep getting them confused. I know ser is with time and place of origin but I dunno i keep reviewing it and I can do the separate but when I have to combine them I get confused so does anyone know any tricks to keep them straight because it's like i switch their uses. this is a big part of my final. I am get with the reflexive verbs, the direct and indirect pronouns (seperate and combined) but what seems like to be something easy i am not grasping.

    P.S. I'm only in spanish one so we only deal with the present tense currently
    Ok. Sorry. I didn´t read your post haha. I was being lazy.

    The only trick ACTUALLY helpful.

    Listen, listen, listen and listen to whatever, examples, people talking, leave some youtube videos in spanish running while you change your clothes and clean the bathroom.

    This way your brain will unconsciously associate sounds with meanings. Next time yoiu hear someone saying ''La flor ser muerta'' ''El gato estar gris'' Something in your brain will click and say '' what the hell, this sounds horrible!'' And you will automatically understand that ''la flor esta muerta'' and '' el gato es gris''

    When I read the question I had to think about the differences even though Im a native speaker, because my brain is so used to use them automatically and intuitively that I dont really need to analyze the meaning, I just know it.

    If you cannot listen because its too hard, try to read a lot, even if you dont understand, it will slowly make more sense page after page.

    I started studying English in 2012 and I bought a 200 page book all in English. I didn't understand a thing at first, but at the end of the book English started to make much more sense to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    ok but in english if you want to say i am tired (currently) you say i am tired but if you want to say you are forever tired you say i am always tired both those senteces uses the word am as in spanish one would be ser and the other estar.

    it's more of keeping them straight because we use the same being verb to describe both temporary and permanent conditions
    Yes, English is more simple in certain ways. But even if can be hard to do at first, you need to try not to translate the meaning in English because can be really confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaru View Post
    Ok. Sorry. I didn´t read your post haha. I was being lazy.

    The only trick ACTUALLY helpful.

    Listen, listen, listen and listen to whatever, examples, people talking, leave some youtube videos in spanish running while you change your clothes and clean the bathroom.

    This way your brain will unconsciously associate sounds with meanings. Next time yoiu hear someone saying ''La flor ser muerta'' ''El gato estar gris'' Something in your brain will click and say '' what the hell, this sounds horrible!'' And you will automatically understand that ''la flor esta muerta'' and '' el gato es gris''

    When I read the question I had to think about the differences even though Im a native speaker, because my brain is so used to use them automatically and intuitively that I dont really need to analyze the meaning, I just know it.

    If you cannot listen because its too hard, try to read a lot, even if you dont understand, it will slowly make more sense page after page.

    I started studying English in 2012 and I bought a 200 page book all in English. I didn't understand a thing at first, but at the end of the book English started to make much more sense to me
    yeah I understand what is being said probably 50% of the time but only know how to respond 20% it's like i know the meanings as i'm being spoken to but i still can't respond if that makes sense. and I only know present tense conjugation so i can read a little bit in spanish like signs and stuff but i could not have a conversation
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    yeah I understand what is being said probably 50% of the time but only know how to respond 20% it's like i know the meanings as i'm being spoken to but i still can't respond if that makes sense. and I only know present tense conjugation so i can read a little bit in spanish like signs and stuff but i could not have a conversation
    Yes, it is normal. For how long have you been studying Spanish?

    I am not sure what the present tense conjugation is.

    You usually begin to speak when you feel confident and maybe if you find yourself in a situation where you have no choice but to speak.
    It took me 3 years to learn english (until this level, of course I still have to learn a lot, but I can listen, read and express myself without effort)
    The first year was the hardest. I started reading and listening a lot. But I could not write a straignt phrase without checking the translator and googling each sentence I wanted to write first (This is also because I can be crazy self conscious)
    -if a Translator makes you feel more confident about it, don´t be afraid to use it. It will help you memorize some words as well.
    it took me 3 to 6 months to start ´´kind of writing´´
    after that, the second year I would write mostly fine, and would torture myself over pronounciation and stuff like that. But I could not talk at all. Last year I finally began to speak, and now I am fluent when I don´t think about it anymore. ( Unless I get self conscious, then I start mumbling and its the end of English)

    Of course, since you are taking lessons (for what I could understand from your post)
    You have to fit the learning system they want to force onto you (which can slow down the process a lot)
    So it will be harder, but is not your fault. If you see other people that learn faster with that system if just because that way of learning fits them more.
    You need to find out your own ways.
    And don't be afraid to talk like a 2 year old. The more you try to say whatever the easier it will be to start making more sense

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