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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    In many (most?) periods of human history, and in many parts of the world, men did wear clothing much more similar to dresses than trousers. They were called robes, tunics, or something other than dresses, but they were fairly similar. And yes, some styles look better on certain men vs. other men, and some styles of dress-like garment look better on the stereotypical female figure than the stereotypical male. Consider kilts, for instance. They are very similar to skirts, but a traditionally male garment.
    So you are using fashion sense from two thousand years ago as an argument. That is poor character considering that you generally express an aversion to the values and traditions of past ages. Also, how often do men wear traditional dress, as opposed to a business or casual standard? Western men do not wear traditional dress regularly.

    OP was wondering about appropriate dress codes in a professional environment, and from what I've observed in New Zealand, many younger women dress a bit like this professionally:


    (I hope you'll excuse the irony of me using an Asian model).

    Jeans are not appropriate workwear for women here, and I cannot imagine that this would be any different in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    So you are using fashion sense from two thousand years ago as an argument. That is poor character considering that you generally express an aversion to the values and traditions of past ages. Also, how often do men wear traditional dress, as opposed to a business or casual standard? Western men do not wear traditional dress regularly.
    That depends on what one considers traditional. You do not have to look back anywhere near 2000 years to find time periods when men have worn dress-like garments. Trousers are a relatively recent development, and have significant advantages of practicality for both men and women. I evaluate clothing, like most things, irrespective of tradition. If it makes sense given the needs of the occasion, I use or recommend it. There is no logical reason for assigning dresses to women and trousers to men, unless one is trying to replicate traditional dress from a specific period, as for a cultural reenactment. Beyond that it is simply a matter of choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    Jeans are not appropriate workwear for women here, and I cannot imagine that this would be any different in the US.
    In many US workplaces, jeans are considered inappropriate workwear for men or women, and I tend to agree. (Interestingly, in the same environment, a woman can get away with a denim skirt or dress; a double standard indeed.)

    In the places I have worked, some women sometimes wear things like this:


    but they are more likely to wear something like this:



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    I put some outfits together. I don't know if my style is naturally too whimsical for business casual, but I don't want to have to sacrifice too much of myself! PICTURE HEAVY!
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    I got this shirt yesterday at the thrift store. It won't butt over my boobs. Is it okay to wear a cami under it like this? I also bought these pants, and I hate the way they fit. I think they make me look shorter and they make my whole leg look like they are that huge. One of my good friends said that she thought these pants looked better than my ankle cut dress pants.



    Same pants. Different shirt, and a blazer added. Is the blazer too much? I don't know if it's too fun.



    These are the pants that my friend told me looked awful on me. I like these better. I may just be more accustomed to skinny fits though. I know that I have big hips and thighs, but I still find this more attractive on myself. Plain white v neck and grey cardigan also. Should my shirt be longer?



    Same pants. Black v neck. Added my whale cardigan, because I love my whale cardigan! Is it too fun?



    added a yellow cardigan to my dinosaur dress. Too much color?



    H&M wrap dress, and a cardigan. I think this is alright. I'm not sure if the print is to busy.



    One of my favorite dresses. Added a cardigan and opaque tights.



    Another dress. Added a cardigan, and a cami underneath to hide cleavage. Is this too sexy? Are those ankle slouchy boots work appropriate?



    Pencil skirt and that purple shirt



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    Same skirt. Purple v neck underneath. Added cardigan.



    Same skirt. Added a sweater and my favorite infinity scarf. Not sure about this. I hate sweaters. They aren't very flattering on my body type in my opinion.



    Are we absolutely positive I can't wear this shirt? I like this the best. Although I know I can't wear it, it's what I'd rather be wearing.
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    I have some comments from the peanut gallery!

    The purple shirt is good buttoned like that, and you could probably also button the single button below your boobs, or just the second one down below your boobs. I like doing that especially over a black top and black pants/skirt, it makes your whole body look long. And I LOVE the new pants! You don't like them?! I think they look really good on you. I actually think they balance you out well and make your whole body look more streamlined.

    I also really love your striped blazer. That outfit is probably my favorite of all your shirt-and-pants sets. I like the yellow cardigan with your dinosaur dress, though I would tend to leave more of the buttons open. I think the black pants your friend doesn't like are fine, but I would tend not to wear them with the white top because it seems a little see-through. I do like the whale cardigan, however I also think you are better off with the black flats anytime your outfit has black, unless it has that khaki color in it. I think your black and white dress is very professional, especially with the black cardigan and flats. I also love the dress with the light seafoam stripes. I think the dress with the pink top and black bottom is not too sexy, though I think it might look better with flats. The ankle boots are really cute, but I think they would pair better with a longer hemline.

    I really like the look of tucking a shirt in on you, especially with a cardigan over it. I do think it looks better with a non-button up shirt. I think the outfit where you have the purple v-necked tucked in is perfect, but again I'd tend to pair that with the black flats. I also think that if you were to get a more flowing and longer skirt, your sweaters would pair beautifully with it. A knee-length or lower skirt in a neutral color is great for work - I have a chocolate colored one I am particularly fond of. You could wear the ankle boots with that, as well. The last outfit is cute but yeah, not acceptable. Except if you have casual Fridays.

    Also, if you have a long necklace or two lying around, that can add a little extra formality to your outfits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    I have some comments from the peanut gallery!

    The purple shirt is good buttoned like that, and you could probably also button the single button below your boobs, or just the second one down below your boobs. I like doing that especially over a black top and black pants/skirt, it makes your whole body look long. And I LOVE the new pants! You don't like them?! I think they look really good on you. I actually think they balance you out well and make your whole body look more streamlined.

    I also really love your striped blazer. That outfit is probably my favorite of all your shirt-and-pants sets. I like the yellow cardigan with your dinosaur dress, though I would tend to leave more of the buttons open. I think the black pants your friend doesn't like are fine, but I would tend not to wear them with the white top because it seems a little see-through. I do like the whale cardigan, however I also think you are better off with the black flats anytime your outfit has black, unless it has that khaki color in it. I think your black and white dress is very professional, especially with the black cardigan and flats. I also love the dress with the light seafoam stripes. I think the dress with the pink top and black bottom is not too sexy, though I think it might look better with flats. The ankle boots are really cute, but I think they would pair better with a longer hemline.

    I really like the look of tucking a shirt in on you, especially with a cardigan over it. I do think it looks better with a non-button up shirt. I think the outfit where you have the purple v-necked tucked in is perfect, but again I'd tend to pair that with the black flats. I also think that if you were to get a more flowing and longer skirt, your sweaters would pair beautifully with it. A knee-length or lower skirt in a neutral color is great for work - I have a chocolate colored one I am particularly fond of. You could wear the ankle boots with that, as well. The last outfit is cute but yeah, not acceptable. Except if you have casual Fridays.

    Also, if you have a long necklace or two lying around, that can add a little extra formality to your outfits.
    Thank you for all of this. It's so helpful. I think I don't like the pants, just because I'm soo accustomed to wearing tighter fitting pants, and skinny jeans. I'm sure I'll eventually warm up to them!

    I love the striped blazer too. I bought it at a yard sale a few weeks ago, and I haven't had the opportunity to wear it yet. You are right about the yellow cardigan with the dino dress. Normally I would also leave buttons unbuttoned. I was just trying to mix it a up a bit!

    I need to get some more black flats I suppose. I was wearing the boots, because my friend said that I should pair my skirts with boots because it would help balance out something or another. I was thinking about buying a pair of knee high flat boots. Do you think those would look okay with skirts or dresses?

    I think we might actually have casual Fridays! I interviewed on a Friday, and my manager was wearing jeans and running shoes. When I went back for my second interview he was very nicely dressed in business casual. He's also EXTREMELY attractive, but that's a side note.

    I actually don't own any jewelry, like, at all. I fiddle with stuff too much, and I'm allergic to a lot of fake jewelry. I can see how a long necklace could add some formality though. I think hair and makeup will really help my outfits too and will add some formality.

    Thank you again for your helpful comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scantilyclad View Post
    Thank you for all of this. It's so helpful. I think I don't like the pants, just because I'm soo accustomed to wearing tighter fitting pants, and skinny jeans. I'm sure I'll eventually warm up to them!

    I love the striped blazer too. I bought it at a yard sale a few weeks ago, and I haven't had the opportunity to wear it yet. You are right about the yellow cardigan with the dino dress. Normally I would also leave buttons unbuttoned. I was just trying to mix it a up a bit!

    I need to get some more black flats I suppose. I was wearing the boots, because my friend said that I should pair my skirts with boots because it would help balance out something or another. I was thinking about buying a pair of knee high flat boots. Do you think those would look okay with skirts or dresses?

    I think we might actually have casual Fridays! I interviewed on a Friday, and my manager was wearing jeans and running shoes. When I went back for my second interview he was very nicely dressed in business casual. He's also EXTREMELY attractive, but that's a side note.

    I actually don't own any jewelry, like, at all. I fiddle with stuff too much, and I'm allergic to a lot of fake jewelry. I can see how a long necklace could add some formality though. I think hair and makeup will really help my outfits too and will add some formality.

    Thank you again for your helpful comments.
    Absolutely! I'm glad you found it helpful. I joined a sorority years ago in college and we had to wear business clothes for our meetings, and I had the same oh shit reaction, lol. The blazer is so cute and fits you really nicely. I think it will be very versatile. I am definitely in favor of you getting more black flats. I think that they really look good on you, and hopefully are a comfortable option. I think knee-high flat boots would be awesome! Personally, I try to find boots with a little wideness at the ankles, like straps, so they balance out my hips a little, but I don't know if that's just my own quirk or if it actually works

    Sounds frustrating with the jewelry, I'd probably skip it in that case too. I think all of your outfits here are totally fine for business casual, though, regardless. Yay for maybe wearing your fun shirt on Friday - and for managerial eye candy

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    I start my job tomorrow! Also, I just got word from my boss that they are starting a new dress code. They are providing me with shirts, with the logo of the company on there or whatever. Basically, all this for nothing! I do still have to wear khakis. They said my current pants should be find though, and I can wear jeans on Friday.
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