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    Ha I remember taking an IQ test as a child, ( admittedly it's a different standard for children), because I was playing up in class and being disruptive, violent and just uncooperative and my mum in particular was convinced that it was because I was highly intelligent and being bored by the level of work.

    So they had the school psychologist take a look. l have to laugh even now at the look on my mum's face when my IQ score came back around 96. Shattered some delusions I can tell you, but that score helped a great deal since there now wasn't the same amount of expectation that I would go to higher education and achieve a degree in something and then end up earning megabucks as some top.... whatever of my field.

    Nowadays I largely find competence is something that come as a matter of patience and persistence. There are differences in how quickly a person picks something up of course, but most jobs can be performed with a decent level of ability if the effort is put in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Ha I remember taking an IQ test as a child, ( admittedly it's a different standard for children), because I was playing up in class and being disruptive, violent and just uncooperative and my mum in particular was convinced that it was because I was highly intelligent and being bored by the level of work.

    So they had the school psychologist take a look. l have to laugh even now at the look on my mum's face when my IQ score came back around 96. Shattered some delusions I can tell you, but that score helped a great deal since there now wasn't the same amount of expectation that I would go to higher education and achieve a degree in something and then end up earning megabucks as some top.... whatever of my field.

    Nowadays I largely find competence is something that come as a matter of patience and persistence. There are differences in how quickly a person picks something up of course, but most jobs can be performed with a decent level of ability if the effort is put in.
    Why no "higher education"? I excelled in undergrad and most likely going to get a potentially lucrative job regardless of my IQ.

    In all seriousness, does that mean I am delusional about myself?

    The weird thing I tend to get mediocre scores on standardized assessments... I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    Why no "higher education"? I excelled in undergrad and most likely going to get a potentially lucrative job regardless of my IQ.

    In all seriousness, does that mean I am delusional about myself?

    The weird thing I tend to get mediocre scores on standardized assessments... I don't get it.
    Well I wasn't interested in higher education. I couldn't see a future in it for myself, regardless of how others benefited from it. I didn't have a clear enough goal to justify the investment, either with time or money.

    I did try 6th form and I just couldn't get along with either the people or the subjects and I spent 4 years being miserable and generating a reputation for being a moody moron. Maybe it could have been different elsewhere...but that's irrelevant now, since it isn't elsewhere and I'm still not any more engaged by the subjects available.

    Not to denigrate those subjects either; many are admirable, but I accept my lack of interest, (or more likely ability to understand), in them.

    I'm not sure I can comment on your 'self-delusion' I would say not, but that's mainly up to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    I think in the early stages IQ can help propel you forward. But beyond that, I think success has a lot more to do with determination, perseverance, dedication, and consistency. And a pinch of luck in terms of right place and right time.
    I think this is pretty true.

    Plus, once ones' IQ gets in the super high range, I think that it starts to result in more debilitative effects, in terms of getting on happily in the world and workplace. So: I think Average to Above Average is just fine for excelling in the working world, in almost all professions. Way Above Average starts causing troubles methinks (i.e. inability to interact well/easily with others, which directly translates into ease of excelling in work force/ fitting in, 'stupid' in terms of common sense and being able to take care of oneself, like @Hard gave an example of, and so on)

    Seems like @ptgatsby had some stats on things along these lines years ago... but I may be wrong.
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    Read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, it details how success is not determined by factors like intelligence, but by the dedication, perseverance, and long hours put into work. There is a nice little excerpt about the original Terman Kids and how they were monitored and expected to be the people shaping the next generation when in fact absolutely none of them achieved anything incredible in their lives.

    Typically the healthiest IQ score that guarantees above average problem solving skills (which is all IQ measures, it does not achieve its goal of measuring g accurately) along with mental and emotional stability and a healthy drive for success is somewhere between 125 and 135. It doesn't really make that much of a difference either, since IQ doesn't measure g and essentially tells you how well you can complete IQ tests (that's about it, and in this regard it is exactly like the SAT).

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    Eh, there are plenty of people of average intelligence in positions of power and plenty of geniuses working at coffee shops or begging for change on the streets. It's all about motivation and opportunities IMO.

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    Give this culturally unbiased IQ test a whirl just for fun.

    Culturally unbiased IQ test: http://www.iqtest.dk/main.swf

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    I tend to get avg on that one too. I rushed through it and got 96. But I don't really care because I know that I will succeed at what I want to do.

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    I think people of average IQ might actually be more competent than some one with above average intelligence depending on what the job is. However, with acquisition of a PhD what you need to ask yourself is not what is my IQ but do I love academics. Academia is its own little world. A plastic surgeon I know told me it's possible to become a doctor as long as you are good at taking tests and willing to go without sleep. A PhD in Psych on the other hand requires extensive research and being published, and probably playing academic politics. I know of more than one person who attempted suicide in grad school.

    So consider carefully if you want to be an academic, first and foremost, and what that entails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephano View Post
    George Bush senior only tested 98, whereas junior got 121 on a test. In terms of competency junior failed catastrophically. I'm too lazy to look for a source right now.
    Whatever the Bushies speculative IQs, Sr. was a more truly conservative old school conservative, probably ISTJ and well suited to quiet serious responsibility.

    Jr on the other hand was a neo con flashy spoiled brat with the charm of a politician, but lacking in the integrity of the Republican party which has just been raped and pillaged by a bunch of narcissistic entitled corporate pigs who secure the vote of the ignorant masses by using false religion as a red herring. Jr had substance abuse issues too. However, I don't know that I can blame his being an ESTP since Reagan and Clinton were both ESFP and Kennedy ESTP.

    I think Jr was just a cocky cokehead jerk overgrown frat boy.

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