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    If we split out children like that, they wouldn't be able of normal social functioning. It's natural, that we have to interact with people who are different and so we need to learn to tolerate them and comunicate with them. If you deny such a basic social learning to children, they would probably grow up to social idiots, or deviants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly View Post
    If we split out children like that, they wouldn't be able of normal social functioning. It's natural, that we have to interact with people who are different and so we need to learn to tolerate them and comunicate with them. If you deny such a basic social learning to children, they would probably grow up to social idiots, or deviants.
    To some degree this is true. But if, especially once they know how to deal with these people, they aren't put in an environment free of them, then all you are doing is adding unnecessary stress and misery to the child's life. I can't believe people try to justify constantly having people be around others they don't like. People should be doing things to ensure that groups are compatible allowing people to move forward with their lives, not doing things to add clashing personalities then forcing everyone to "make friends" or to "learn how to get along." This is a waste of time, and it isn't a reality that should be accepted or encouraged, it's one that should be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapLawyer View Post
    To some degree this is true. But if, especially once they know how to deal with these people, they aren't put in an environment free of them, then all you are doing is adding unnecessary stress and misery to the child's life. I can't believe people try to justify constantly having people be around others they don't like. People should be doing things to ensure that groups are compatible allowing people to move forward with their lives, not doing things to add clashing personalities then forcing everyone to "make friends" or to "learn how to get along." This is a waste of time, and it isn't a reality that should be accepted or encouraged, it's one that should be changed.
    This is not how life works... You can't avoid people you don't like. Sooner or later you'll meet them at work, at store, they can be your neighborhoods. Mostly at work you have to use to cooporate with different people. There are projects which needs more people with different insights, so they just have to work together. The whole world is built up on cooporation with one and another. You can't lock yourself in a cage and say..."I am only talking to INFPs." Because this simply doesn't work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly View Post
    This is not how life works... You can't avoid people you don't like. Sooner or later you'll meet them at work, at store, they can be your neighborhoods. Mostly at work you have to use to cooporate with different people. There are projects which needs more people with different insights, so they just have to work together. The whole world is built up on cooporation with one and another. You can't lock yourself in a cage and say..."I am only talking to INFPs." Because this simply doesn't work...
    I'm annoyed that people use the fact that this is not how life works to add more misery to a student's life, always intentionally forcing them into groups with people they can't stand just to watch them squirm. They BS like it's to help the students learn how to work with people they don't like, but I think it's pointless, and just gets in the way of happiness and progress. It's like saying, you know what most people in the world aren't happy, so we are going to make and keep you miserable just so you are prepared for the real world. It seems stupid to me. Also, I don't think having to work with people you don't like is as common as usually believed. I think it's an artificial setup that's beaten into students in the schools and then continued in the working world. That is, just like students keep getting put in groups with people they don't like, so does idiot management go out of their way to team people up with others they don't like. It's stupid, and instead of being supported and beaten into students until they accept that reality, it should be risen above, and students should be made to see that it doesn't always have to be that way, so that they don't accept that BS when it happens, and instead look for ways around it or for ways to avoid it. Also, it doesn't take that long to learn how to work with others you don't like, so once that's done it's time to move on to better environments where progress can be made without everyone (or the losing personalities) having to be miserable because they have to work with people they don't like.

    I'm sure there will always be that person that will find a problem with everyone, and I'm sure there'll also be that person that just grates on everyone's nerves, but they aren't that common, and definitely shouldn't be who's catered to. People need to learn to not waste time with these people, and infrastructure should be setup so that you don't have to deal with them. Their behaviour is often encouraged and forced to be accepted at the expense of the group's well-being, and that's just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapLawyer View Post
    I'm annoyed that people use the fact that this is not how life works to add more misery to a student's life, always intentionally forcing them into groups with people they can't stand just to watch them squirm. They BS like it's to help the students learn how to work with people they don't like, but I think it's pointless, and just gets in the way of happiness and progress. It's like saying, you know what most people in the world aren't happy, so we are going to make and keep you miserable just so you are prepared for the real world. It seems stupid to me. Also, I don't think having to work with people you don't like is as common as usually believed. I think it's an artificial setup that's beaten into students in the schools and then continued in the working world. That is, just like students keep getting put in groups with people they don't like, so does idiot management go out of their way to team people up with others they don't like. It's stupid, and instead of being supported and beaten into students until they accept that reality, it should be risen above, and students should be made to see that it doesn't always have to be that way, so that they don't accept that BS when it happens, and instead look for ways around it or for ways to avoid it. Also, it doesn't take that long to learn how to work with others you don't like, so once that's done it's time to move on to better environments where progress can be made without everyone (or the losing personalities) having to be miserable because they have to work with people they don't like.

    I'm sure there will always be that person that will find a problem with everyone, and I'm sure there'll also be that person that just grates on everyone's nerves, but they aren't that common, and definitely shouldn't be who's catered to. People need to learn to not waste time with these people, and infrastructure should be setup so that you don't have to deal with them. Their behaviour is often encouraged and forced to be accepted at the expense of the group's wellbeing, and that's just stupid.
    It's stupid to see other angles and views than your own. It's stupid to see how different the world could be. It's stupid to open up to different people and different ideas. Sokrates was the stupidest person living, because he believed we can learn the best by arguments with other people. It's stupid to cooporate with others. The best thing we can do is to live our little lives locked from all the danger, that the possible confrontation might cause. Because ouch we are so afraid to hear other opinions and we are so afraid to hear we are wrong...When the INTJ says "Let's make a huge comapany and make some money" He doesn't need an ISFJ to show him it is also important to take care of his employes. An INFP doesn't need an ENTJ to show him that his economic situation is pretty bad and he needs to take a strategic steps to avoid the debt... We need each other, we dislike each other...but without mutal help and understanding there is no way to be happy, or succesfull, or anything at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly View Post
    It's stupid to see other angles and views than your own. It's stupid to see how different the world could be. It's stupid to open up to different people and different ideas. Sokrates was the stupidest person living, because he believed we can learn the best by arguments with other people. It's stupid to cooporate with others. The best thing we can do is to live our little lives locked from all the danger, that the possible confrontation might cause. Because ouch we are so afraid to hear other opinions and we are so afraid to hear we are wrong...When the INTJ says "Let's make a huge comapany and make some money" He doesn't need an ISFJ to show him it is also important to take care of his employes. An INFP doesn't need an ENTJ to show him that his economic situation is pretty bad and he needs to take a strategic steps to avoid the debt... We need each other, we dislike each other...but without mutal help and understanding there is no way to be happy, or succesfull, or anything at all.
    No, but it's stupid to support the idea that you have to deal with people you don't like and that it's a part of life, rather than pushing the idea that it's not always necessary, and that you shouldn't just accept such situations because that's the way life is. It's also annoying to use the fact that that's the way the world is to unnecessarily (which is usually the case) force students that don't like each other to work together. Exposing people to different points of view, etc, is very different from unnecessarily and continuously forcing them to work with people they don't like, and from forcing them to accept points of view they don't agree with. What you are bringing up in response and what I'm talking about are two very different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapLawyer View Post
    No, but it's stupid to support the idea that you have to deal with people you don't like and that it's a part of life, rather than pushing the idea that it's not always necessary, and that you shouldn't just accept such situations because that's the way life is. It's also annoying to use the fact that that's the way the world is to unnecessarily (which is usually the case) force students that don't like each other to work together. Exposing people to different points of view, etc, is very different from unnecessarily and continuously forcing them to work with people they don't like, and from forcing them to accept points of view they don't agree with. What you are bringing up in response and what I'm talking about are two very different things.
    I think they continuously builds on each other

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly View Post
    I think they continuously builds on each other
    I think forcing people who don't like each other to work together doesn't build character; it's just wasteful and destructive. That, and someone always loses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CapLawyer View Post
    I think forcing people who don't like each other to work together doesn't build character; it's just wasteful and destructive. That, and someone always loses.
    I think you're not willing to think about my arguments and just repeat the same sentence over and over again and so our conversation becomes pointless as much as the life living just with people of similar types

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly View Post
    I think you're not willing to think about my arguments and just repeat the same sentence over and over again and so our conversation becomes pointless as much as the life living just with people of similar types
    That's essentially what you're doing. And it's not about similar types, it's about not living a life around people you don't like or are incompatible with.

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