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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolita View Post
    this is the current model "differentiation," but it's really hard for teachers to achieve. i think smaller class size is the answer. keeping them heterogeneous as far as learners go, but allowing the teacher more time and fewer students to divide his or her attention between.

    also, using the "universal supports" model, which kind of scaffolds lessons from the most basic breakdown all the way through to the higher theoretical application, and allowing all students to benefit from hearing it in all ways. no matter what kind of learner you might think a student is, chances are he will benefit from hearing explanations from different approaches and styles in at least some instances. it helps prepare them for life too, where things are presented differently to us as adults, and we must find our own way to learn the information in the best way for ourselves.

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    twould be good for the student's learning.

    But at the same time its still good to force students to learn in a way they are no accustomed, just not for too long.

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    nope. school is just as much about socialization as education, and kids need to learn how to survive around people different from them.

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    Well I would have been a lot happier in school if the material was taught in a way that was geared towards me..

    I don't understand this ethical crap...Why is it not ethical to put people in the types of classes they need to be in? Why are you going to force feed people information instead of giving them the right tools to process it?

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."

    This quote should be self explanitory.

    Why do you think people feel so shitty about themselves and take those internalized feelings out on society via public shootings.

    Cause we are forced to believe from a young age that we're not good enough the way we are...and are not given the proper tools to show our strenghts, in which case we can't prove that theory wrong....

    That my friends...is unethical.

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    Nobody is saying everyone should be forced into one-size-fits-all education. That is a crappy education, but so would be splitting people up by whatever criteria make them similar. Kids aren't just one type of learner. I'm not a Auditory-Learner-Bot 3000. I do learn best from discussion but I also benefit from having information presented visually and hands-on. What nicolita said about allowing students to experience the material in a variety of ways pretty much hits the nail. That would benefit everyone, and we wouldn't have to split people up by temperament or learning style that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Nobody is saying everyone should be forced into one-size-fits-all education. That is a crappy education, but so would be splitting people up by whatever criteria make them similar. Kids aren't just one type of learner. I'm not a Auditory-Learner-Bot 3000. I do learn best from discussion but I also benefit from having information presented visually and hands-on. What nicolita said about allowing students to experience the material in a variety of ways pretty much hits the nail. That would benefit everyone, and we wouldn't have to split people up by temperament or learning style that way.
    We can't really split people up by learning style, so presenting information in many different ways (covering the bases) is absolutely essential. I remember going through school and transforming things from one way of presenting to another in my head so I could learn, and being actively stopped by teachers, etc, as they tried to force everything to be learned in one way (and you are supposed learn this in class, and you are supposed to learn this other thing through labs, and you are supposed to go out and test this to learn it). What a nightmare that was. And that to me is out of control, and representative of how serious they are about imposing these rigid rules. Instead of doing lots of prep and design, I would just write the code, and would always have a prototype running to flesh out the design, and it would drive the teachers mad. A reaction that followed me into the working world. I don't get their obsession with things being done in just one way, especially given that my type is the stereotypical programmer (that should get my methods some cred shouldn't it, even if it's only according to their BS way of seeing the world). People need to relax and be more flexible. They should get over these ruts and getting stuck in them, and they should definitely stop trying to drag everyone down with them.

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    I completely agree with that.

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    Brave New World.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Well I would have been a lot happier in school if the material was taught in a way that was geared towards me..

    I don't understand this ethical crap...Why is it not ethical to put people in the types of classes they need to be in? Why are you going to force feed people information instead of giving them the right tools to process it?

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."

    This quote should be self explanitory.

    Why do you think people feel so shitty about themselves and take those internalized feelings out on society via public shootings.

    Cause we are forced to believe from a young age that we're not good enough the way we are...and are not given the proper tools to show our strenghts, in which case we can't prove that theory wrong....

    That my friends...is unethical.
    I agree with your second point. But IRT "Why is it not ethical to put people in the types of classes they need to be in?", because it is generally not wise or compassionate to (1) assume we can type children accurately, (2) cloister those children into separate groups based on our assumptions of their mental patterns, and (3) feed them only specific types of information based on our assumption of their mental patterns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    I agree with your second point. But IRT "Why is it not ethical to put people in the types of classes they need to be in?", because it is generally not wise or compassionate to (1) assume we can type children accurately, (2) cloister those children into separate groups based on our assumptions of their mental patterns, and (3) feed them only specific types of information based on our assumption of their mental patterns.
    (Thanks for explaining this for me skylights. I will try to let it sink in...but as of right now...I still don't think I get what it's all about.)

    Is it some kind of concern like the kid would think they're in a "slow class" or something. If so that has to stop too. We should be teaching kids that everyone's different in a good way. I am an idealist I guess. And I also find the social aspect of school to be less than valuable.

    Even in college I just went to class....I think there's a disconnect for me when it comes to school and this, and I'm not sure I am ever going to get it. Cause I think learning and socializing are 2 separate things which don't need to be mixed. (Unless that's how the person learns best of course.)

    And you would feed them the same information, just in a way they learn best.

    To me, this just seems like one of those things...where the answer is right in front of us, but we can't seem to see it.

    Edit: I'm also not saying that the OP is right in having just a limit to 4 groups or anything. We should define the most common ways ppl learn (Whether that be 2, 3, 4, or 5 ways...whatever it takes), and incorporate them into teaching. I'm sure there's some kind of compromise...and I understand that we don't want to do just one learning style their whole life. They can be exposed to that later though so that they can properly handle life.

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