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    I wonder about the criteria, are they interested really in learning or in learning as indicated by success at taking tests.

    Personally learning for me has been about reading and discussion, discussion is a big one, and I take a pride and ownership of my learning too, its an affect thing, but also I find that good learning can come from interaction.

    I'm interested in the topic of learning per se though, learning theories and the like because I'm motivated to learn.

    The highlighting and underlining I do think is a bad strategy, most of the people who I've known to do that dont memorise what is highlighted or underlined because they think that highlighting it or underlining it saves them the need to do so. Its a lazy strategy. Sort of like going and buying all the latest books and having a stack of books and some how expecting it to jump of the page and into your head. Consumerism not concentration.

    Beginners mind is important, believing that you have something to learn in the first place and dont know it all, then being motivated to learn.

    Having good material to learn from, concentrating and removing things which will adversely effect concentration and attention, ie background noise, intrusions, distractions, and not being tired, not being hungry, craving coffee or something like that.

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    ^^ I don't know...like @cascadeco said, highlighting often serves as a way of encouraging a more active reading state of mind. It's really easy to pass into passive reading mode, and that makes it more difficult to retain details and memorize. I've noticed that when I'm on stimulants like Adderall, I go crazy with the highlighting and marginalia not so much because I ever plan on referring to them again, but more because it's the natural impulse if your mind is active.

    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    With the exception of a few classes in h.s. and college, I was never exceptionally good at paying attention.. I'd zone out. Sometimes it was due to my finding the teaching relatively useless, and my thinking I'd be just as well off learning on my own, reading the book, etc prior to the exam (and that worked fine). Also though, I tend to have a pretty poor retention of details (and so many classes/exams are based on knowing the details, and aren't as much about the concepts..at least the classes I took; chem/bio details, definitions, dates/peoples' names, law names, math rules, and so on), so notes were a MUST, and re-reading/drilling in my head was a must. There's no way I would have been able to just go to class and absorb everything and remember all on my own.
    I used to think that I was bad at paying attention, but that's because I was confusing the "I hate listening because he/she's fucking boring" with "I can't remember what people say to me." The reason I found teachers boring is because I would be the only one paying enough attention to notice that they repeated themselves five times. I don't know why, but I don't even need to try and I retain things better when people say them to me, even if I'm only half paying attention. It's strange how different learning styles really do manifest themselves concretely, unlike a lot of other typologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I highlight everything.
    Well then, it's as useful as highlighting nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well then, it's as useful as highlighting nothing.
    I should have said everything important. It is useful because then I only need to look at what I highlighted when I look at the book again.

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    highlighting works once you have determined what should and shouldnt be highlighted.

    I skim first.. talk to myself about the concept as I go along... make jottings.
    Then I read in sections... make jottings and refer to other sources (if necessary), highlight, sketch etc


    Everyone is different. the coloured highlights and all the scribbles give the page an IDENTITY... I will always remember that page if ever I am trying to remember a specific word or a sequence from the page. In my memory I will see the page and everything will jump out at me.

    Rereading I will not do... I will skim and re-skim... but not reread. I dont have to, just a glance is enough for my memory

    Self testing is good too. I like to make up n tape record memory questions... and the web is awesome for test/case questions.


    Summarizing is good, idk what you are talking about.
    When I have gone through a huge topic it helps to restructure everything in my head and barf it all out anew, in my own way, adding additional info from other sources or from my head as I go on. My summaries are not limited to one topic/article.. but are usually the combination of two or more topics... I can make connections and in the end I have one big piece that is still shorter than reading all topics mentioned. In the near future when I glance at my summary everything comes back to me and I remember every detail.
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    I got a second hand book today and it had some underlinning and circuling on it, it was pretty scribbly and of what appeared to be pretty random words.

    That sort of highlighting is a pain in the ass for anyone reading the book afterwards, I always was careful if I ever underlined any of my books and generally it was books which I did not plan on selling or sharing on. I knew a friend who said she liked to read books which had been highlighted or written upon by friends because it was nice to know what friends thought of them and I agree with that but not if its crap highlighting and usually its just a spring board to the discussion which, again, I think is the real learning experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pushbeat View Post
    Five leading psychologists have evaluated learning techniques and Time summarized their findings.

    Worst techniques
    - Highlighting and underlining (even can get in the way of learning);
    - Rereading;
    - Summarizing.

    Best
    - Spreading out study sessions (the longer you want to remember, the longer the intervals should be);
    - Practice testing.

    But I succeeded my study with almost all worst techniques (except for rereading, which I didn't have the time for as an INTP), and I did none of the best. But I remember a lot even 30 years after my exams.

    May it the case that personality type is involved in learning techniques?
    Interesting. I highlight but I do it so I know what to review when the time comes. I don't like rereading everything, only the important parts.

    That said, I have had a few experiences with only what claim here to be the best methods and I can attest that it works (at least for me, it did). The longer I spread the study sessions out, the more I remember them. Whenever I do last minute cramming, I may do okay on exams but I forget the material afterwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    I'd always buy a pack of rainbow highlighters when I went back to school shopping, and the first couple days I'd obsessively highlight and color code anything I could. then I forget about the highlighters, maybe use them to color on myself with, then lose them.
    Hahaha I can only stand yellow. The other colors are too distracting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I should have said everything important. It is useful because then I only need to look at what I highlighted when I look at the book again.
    Wouldn't it be optimal to force yourself to remember what's important, instead of using higlighting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Wouldn't it be optimal to force yourself to remember what's important, instead of using higlighting?
    Everybody is different. It's what works for me. It might not be what works for you. That's fine.

    Don't force yourself to do something that isn't optimal for you personally. We do not all learn in the same way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Interesting. I highlight but I do it so I know what to review when the time comes. I don't like rereading everything, only the important parts.

    Hahaha I can only stand yellow. The other colors are too distracting.
    Pretty much exactly what I do .

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    I find highlighting distracting. I just read the material once through and wing it.

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