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    Over the past few months, I've had a group of friends and relatives -- all of which are looking for work -- come to me with questions pertaining to resumes, interviewing, and the like.

    I had to reiterate the same suggestions over and over again to different people. It got to the point where I felt inspired to write an article on the topic -- one that I could simply send to everyone en masse:


    Here's what I don't understand, though: Why is it that so many people are clueless out there when it comes to polishing resumes, shining in interviews, etc.? Granted, I've had ample interview/job hunting experience, but it seems people just don't take the time to research the topic. And then they wonder why they aren't getting the jobs. It's not rocket science by any stretch.

    Have you guys encountered the same? Are people just not aware of what it takes to land a job nowadays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doublejm1 View Post
    Here's what I don't understand, though: Why is it that so many people are clueless out there when it comes to polishing resumes, shining in interviews, etc.? Granted, I've had ample interview/job hunting experience, but it seems people just don't take the time to research the topic. And then they wonder why they aren't getting the jobs. It's not rocket science by any stretch.

    Have you guys encountered the same? Are people just not aware of what it takes to land a job nowadays?
    They are not clueless, they are careless and lazy. People don't want to do what it takes to get a job, or stay financially solvent, or prepare for emergencies, or stay healthy and fit, or understand what they are voting for on election day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doublejm1 View Post
    Over the past few months, I've had a group of friends and relatives -- all of which are looking for work -- come to me with questions pertaining to resumes, interviewing, and the like.

    I had to reiterate the same suggestions over and over again to different people. It got to the point where I felt inspired to write an article on the topic -- one that I could simply send to everyone en masse:
    (URL removed - Randomnity)

    Here's what I don't understand, though: Why is it that so many people are clueless out there when it comes to polishing resumes, shining in interviews, etc.? Granted, I've had ample interview/job hunting experience, but it seems people just don't take the time to research the topic. And then they wonder why they aren't getting the jobs. It's not rocket science by any stretch.

    Have you guys encountered the same? Are people just not aware of what it takes to land a job nowadays?
    I don't know, but I bet with this essay you've attached as part of promoting your work, we'll be able to figure it out right quick!
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    I just find that many people don't do their research.

    To be fair, some candidates do everything right and still don't come out on top -- either because someone with a little more experience edged them out, one of the candidates had a connection within the company, etc.

    But far too many people I know don't get the job because they simply didn't do their homework. NOT sending a cover letter/thank you letter is one of the biggest no-nos in the job hunting arena. It annoys me when people figure that sending a cover letter/thank you letter won't make a difference. THAT strikes me as them just being lazy. Sending a thank you letter, in particular, is huge, especially if it comes down to two equally-qualified candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doublejm1 View Post
    NOT sending a cover letter/thank you letter is one of the biggest no-nos in the job hunting arena.
    pfft.

    there's probably a correlation regarding mid-level managers,
    who think a cover letter and thank you letter is one of the
    decision factors, and the company's turn over rates.
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    Unfortunately the modern workplace is designed with specific mentalities in mind.

    Some people are born with them, if you arent? Fuck you, you better knuckle down and develop them. It's this blindness in perception to others who do not function in the same manner that mystifies those who do possess it.
    For them it is like being told breathing is hard, it makes no sense, but that's exactly the problem; it is beyond their ken of understanding and so they berate and belittle those who struggle in the quest for job and financial security.

    The truth is that the cards are held by those who are equipped to deal with them, sure people can adapt and use will power to overcome obstacles, there is no question about that, but it doesn't stop it being fucking hard.

    For example, im not much of a people person and im a dunce with details, but every job ive come across in my area, (and for once the word 'every' is not an exaggeration), states that they require these qualities. So I play along, I research the company, I practice a bit of socialising and I rehearse my methods and I go over my CV....among many other things I do to prepare.

    That's pretty much all I can do, it's draining like the pull of a gravitational shift, but I do it anyway, because I have to out of necessity. I have to force myself to become what the job requires, because otherwise I dont get a look-in.
    But take the methodology above and then blow it up 20 times because obviously I wont be applying for just one position at one job....it's usually around 15-20 if not more.

    But this is pretty much it, im not very skilled and im not that ambitious, I never have been even as a child. The arrogance of many is to assume that we are all some deviation from a singular template, that if only we had the fortitude and we tried and willed ourselves into action, we could achieve anything.

    But this is naive; the heuristic evidence of life will tell you that...no not everyone is the same underneath and no not everyone can just will themselves into a mindstate of success.
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    The point here is that unlike the hand we are dealt, the world of jobs is created by us, but not for all of us...only for a mere few of us and this will possibly be the death of our species in the end...among many other potential deaths.
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    Be confident, dress well, do background research on the company, follow application directions.

    Ask (good) questions about the company.

    If you go into an interview thinking it's just you being interviewed, you're already behind.

    A quality candidate is interviewing the company (do I want to work here?) as much as the company is interviewing him.

    Kinda like with a girl, someone with options is more attractive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    they are careless and lazy
    I've worked with people who are incredibly careless and lazy when it comes to working with others, not stepping on other people's toes, taking into consideration others' opinions, ideas and concerns, not putting people down (unintentionally or not) and not destroying any positive atmosphere the team might have developed.

    Incidentally INTJs predominate among these lazy and careless individuals.

    I think most INTJs are really lazy and stupid when it comes to dealing with people and teams. I've grown to look down on INTJs for that and not trust them to get the job done. Actually I trust an INTJ to fuck it up in this regard.

    Lazy, lazy, lazy and socially stupid on top of that. Always have to clean up after them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    I've worked with people who are incredibly careless and lazy when it comes to working with others, not stepping on other people's toes, taking into consideration others' opinions, ideas and concerns, not putting people down (unintentionally or not) and not destroying any positive atmosphere the team might have developed.

    Incidentally INTJs predominate among these lazy and careless individuals.

    I think most INTJs are really lazy and stupid when it comes to dealing with people and teams. I've grown to look down on INTJs for that and not trust them to get the job done. Actually I trust an INTJ to fuck it up in this regard.

    Lazy, lazy, lazy and socially stupid on top of that. Always have to clean up after them.
    Something is a bit disjointed about this post. Do you mean to say that INTJs do a poor job of the highlighted, and that makes us lazy and careless? While I agree with the first part of this statement, the last couldn't be further from the truth. The behaviors listed do not come naturally to most INTJs. We can put out the effort to learn and use them to some extent, when it is necessary to accomplish our goal. If we are not using these skills, it is because we consider them unnecessary or even counterproductive in the situation at hand. Our actions are therefore deliberate, or at least conscious, and our considerable industry is simply channeled into other skills, generally those that align better with our strengths.

    That being said, the wise INTJ will understand their strengths and weaknesses, and avoid jobs or situations that demand more social interaction and nicety than they can muster, at least until they have time and motivation to improve those skills. Meanwhile, we can usually rise to the challenge and perform acceptably, as long as it is not too protracted or too often.

    In any case, the many INTJs I know manage to get, keep, and excel at some fairly challenging and demanding jobs, so we must be doing something right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    The behaviors listed do not come naturally to most INTJs.
    They don't come natural to anybody. F people learn how to do them.

    I've cleaned up too many social NTJ messes (ISTJs are actually quite amazing and far superior in this regard) and have heard too many "I'm so superior to you, my opinion is the only valid one, my way or the highway".

    So I read here INTJs bashing people for being lazy and what not and all those experiences with INTJs who couldn't care enough to develop any kind of social sensitivity come to mind.

    I developed social sensitivity, it didn't "come naturally" to me. It takes effort. And virtually all INTJs I've worked with (4) SUCK at it. And to be called "lazy" by INTJs who are too lazy to learn social sensitivity just pisses me off. Esp. when I remember how hard I've worked to compensate for their laziness in this regard and how little credit (esp. financial) I've got from them.

    So yeah, INTJs I've met, and the ones online I've seen, are lazy about certain things. And too stuck up to admit it.


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