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    It's true. Apparently, you're supposed to just barely be gripping the pen, which permits it to glide across the page more easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Well, I'll say this - if it weren't for the Internet, I'd have never known that I was writing improperly my entire life. My tendency was to write using the muscles of my wrist and fingers. This leads to sloppy, disjointed handwriting as it constitutes "drawing" the letters, rather than "writing" them. A few months ago, I switched to a different style of holding my pen, and using the muscles of my shoulder and upper arm to write, while keeping my wrist and finger muscles still. This has lead to a much more aesthetically pleasing and legible cursive that doesn't degrade at the bottom of the page. It also has lead to a much more even spacing of letters, and fewer mistakes with awkward cursive letters.

    Handwriting seems like drudgery and a simple tool, but I've found a lot of value in how personal an expression of oneself that it represents. Part of the motivation for improving my handwriting was a sense that I was still writing like a child as an adult, and that the process would perhaps help me reflect on some aspects of maturity that I had previously overlooked. It's also fascinating how mood and emotion can effect minute changes to your handwriting, be it pressure or clustering of letters, and how this adds another dimension to writing. It's pretty cool in a lot of ways.
    That's very interesting (My tendency was to write using the muscles of my wrist and fingers. This leads to sloppy, disjointed handwriting as it constitutes "drawing" the letters, rather than "writing" them). Maybe this is how i write and many children do. Maybe teachers should be aware of how you changed your style using Shoulders and upper arm and the improvement in your technique. I do not believe children should be forced to hold their pen in a certain way but which muscles you engage is a very good point. I do suffer from hand cramp when I write so maybe you have hit the nail on the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I find that if I have to push on the pen or pencil my handwriting is messier. I like to use sharpies because they write themselves and I just form the letters.
    Sorry, what are Sharpies ?

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    Until secondary school children should stay in written text.

    It would be a good idea if aged eight children could be provided by the state with a laptop that could paid for in instalments by their parents. In Junior school teachers could set homework for maybe half hour, twice weekly on typing skills. Or rather set some easy questions that have to be answered on a laptop so children could develop their typing skills naturally over a two year period before entering secondary education.Their homework by working on word or office could then be emailed across to a windows account that has been set up by the teacher. This way children should be ready to work via laptop by the start of secondary education.

    For the reasons One More Time has pointed out, Science should stay in written text in secondary education.

    Can i thank everyone for their input especially on handwriting and technological aspects.

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    My city's public schools are already doing this. 6th grade on up now uses netbooks in classes. They no longer have books, all their books are on their netbook. That being said... It's not really helping students/teachers. Students have now gone from sending notes to each other to IMing each other. They've gone from playing on their cell phones to playing on the internet. Like everything else, there are negatives that come along with the positives. One of the biggest negatives is that kids these days are too damned smart. Several of them have found proxy servers and used them to get to blocked websites..... And a lot of parents have been infuriated that the school provided their child with a netbook that they used to access porn. (Still amazes me that no parents see this as partially their fault)

    I actually take better notes when I'm doing it on pen and paper than I do on a laptop. I've also noticed in various college courses that I had a harder time taking notes when I could hear all the clicking of keys around me. I do use a laptop for a lot of work... But my initial notes always come from pen and paper. For me, when I take notes on paper and then transfer those notes to my laptop, I tend to learn the material better. As I write out the notes I really focus on the material as it's being delivered. Then, when I get home and take those notes and transfer it to the laptop, it's reinforced in my brain again. The times that I have typed my notes in class, I haven't remembered the material as well as when I write out the notes first.

    As far as our netbook program goes... They rent the netbooks to the students at the beginning of each semester, and they return them at the end of the semester. The biggest problem they are having with the netbook rental is the students can be pretty rough on the netbooks and a lot of them end up needing replacements because they've damaged them (spilled liquid on it, dropped it, etc). At least with the rental program, there isn't a big worry about theft, because everyone has the same netbook.


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    My middle schooler and high schooler both use netbooks as well as desktops at school. The other nice thing is that the schools set the kids up with a edu gmail account and everyone uses Google docs. Things can be worked on at home and it's especially nice for group projects or any work they might miss or need copies of. I think 8 may be a little young though, they should be writing at that stage.The only complaint our 3rd grader's teacher has is his handwriting. He rushes and it's a total mess sometimes. Otherwise he is an outstanding student and he would prefer typing too but it's a skill he has to develop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    My middle schooler and high schooler both use netbooks as well as desktops at school. The other nice thing is that the schools set the kids up with a edu gmail account and everyone uses Google docs. Things can be worked on at home and it's especially nice for group projects or any work they might miss or need copies of. I think 8 may be a little young though, they should be writing at that stage.The only complaint our 3rd grader's teacher has is his handwriting. He rushes and it's a total mess sometimes. Otherwise he is an outstanding student and he would prefer typing too but it's a skill he has to develop.
    Sounds like the end of the days when you charmed girls so you can copy your homework from them
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    Quote Originally Posted by godscollie View Post
    Typing isn't as extroverted an activity as writing so this would be especially good for introverts but benefit extroverts as well. It is possible to remain in deeper thought whilst typing than writing because you can type automatically knowing where the keys are, hence not as extroverted an activity as manually writing.
    I don't think you could link any particular sort of handwriting to these kinds of processes.
    On a related note though, I like handwriting much more since I feel more focused on the writing process than I do with typing. Typing is just producing text, but handwriting makes me think in advance of how I phrase stuff since deleting isn't as easy.

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    I think school kids should learn to both write and type, and as soon as possible. Despite the use of handwriting isn't as widespread anymore as it used to be, it's still an essential skill every school kid should be somewhat proficient at.

    That said, learning to type is essential as well. I see a lot of people, many of them adults, who mutate into beings with two index-finger-shaped appendages attached to their shoulders as soon as they sit down to type something. Typing is a mechanical skill that can be acquired the same way writing can, and that sort of mechanical skill, more than knowing how to master all the technological aspects of computers like using the internet, word programs etc. (which can be learned at a later age) should be learned as soon as possible because it makes using a computer so much easier, and you have more time to practice if you start early.

    Luckily I was able to learn it in the hospital with a laptop made for children while I was in hopsital to have my appendix removed, but I think by now every time should have some sort of program like that for schoolchildren. I think handwriting won't die out, but typing is too important not to be taught.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I find that if I have to push on the pen or pencil my handwriting is messier. I like to use sharpies because they write themselves and I just form the letters.
    Ha. Nothing ever beats a good fountain pen
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    I was so pissed off when my chemistry teacher in high school made me turn in a typed version of my homework instead of a handwritten version like everyone else because I apparently have "horrible" handwriting... it was so much harder to think and solve problems when I was typing instead of writing by hand, which somehow gives the mind more room to roam and it's SO much easier to show your work, which is kind of useful if it's to be seen if the kid even has an idea as to how to solve a problem

    also, I live in a decent sized city that really doesn't have much money to spend on anything at all, let alone laptops for all of the students... and there would definitely be a good number of kids getting their computers stolen or broken the city can't afford it, the state and national governments are doing a crackdown on the schools because they don't tend to preform well, so they certainly aren't going to fork over any extra cash and the parents of a good number of these kids simply can't afford a laptop for school even if they really wanted to... not to mention replacement costs for lost or broken computers (and the time in which they are being replaced and the kids won't have them)... even putting textbooks on a kindle, which would be awesome because they weigh next to nothing compared to textbooks, would be more expensive than can be afforded with the replacement costs and such... parents will pawn their kids kindle off so that they can buy whatever vice they're stuck on, they can't do that with textbooks... just to bring up some practical suggestions... you don't want to introduce even more divides educationally between the well off and the impoverished
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