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    Default Does America saddle its educators with too much responsibility for American youth?

    I read this article earlier about a large school brawl in my city and I got very annoyed when I read this:
    Parents told KTRK that they're sick of the violence the school, and blame the "lack of control" by school officials.
    Feel free to remark on this specific event, but it's just one in a sprawling list of events going on concerning schools that is disturbing and controversial, and I am attempting to address the larger social shift I'm seeing.

    Disclaimer: understand that I'm not saying all teachers are good. I'm not saying all schools are good. I'm not saying all policies are good. Everything related to bringing up productive young members of society is subject to critical inquiry and should be explored and improved if possible...

    All I'm saying is I struggle to see how an event of this size can be laid entirely at the feet of educators. Is too much responsibility being laid at the feet of our educators? Isn't social disorder a large, complex problem that involves parents, community, government, wealth distribution, AND educators? What do you think? Where does the blame lie?

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    I'm feeling like we're seeing a backlash from a time when parents did NOT question the authority of educators and had less say in their children's education, so now we're shifting to the other extreme where we blame educators for everything and parents micromanage classroom syllabi. I was dumbfounded when a PTA member and an NYC Dept. of Transportation worker foisted their 'SHCOOL-XING' spelling error onto a local school principal for not having complained about it because it was nearby--
    "Regardless of who painted it, someone from the school should have been outside supervising, or noticed it by now," the city worker, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Post.
    Are you freaking kidding me?
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    Not much of an addition. But having read those articles, I'm inclined to agree that those parents are expecting too much from the school officials while limiting the power of these individuals. The phrase isn't "With no power comes responsibility". It's pretty much a lose-lose situation for these educators, especially when I consider values to be taught primarily via parenting first.

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    @iwakar
    yes. Americans think life is this factory line that you can just go through and everything turns out okay
    - go to school, get good grades
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    - run around staying busy and worrying about everything
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    ....WRONG! there's more to being a parent than just feeding your kid and sending them off to school. you actually have to teach your child discipline, ethics (in some form or another), life lessons, etc. notice there is almost nothing available in public schools or college for financial education (how to survive on a low income, how to budget, how to manage money, how to pay bills, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    notice there is almost nothing available in public schools or college for financial education (how to survive on a low income, how to budget, how to manage money, how to pay bills, etc)
    This is a good point. Kids with no life coping skills or family support are dropped at school each day with this bizarre belief that educators will wave their magic wands and fill in all the gaps created by parents and communities sometime between P.E. and lunch.

    They're pretty underpaid for fairy godmothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    This is a good point. Kids with no life coping skills or family support are dropped at school each day with this bizarre belief that educators will wave their magic wands and fill in all the gaps created by parents and communities sometime between P.E. and lunch.
    They're pretty underpaid for fairy godmothers.
    American culture as a whole likes to oversimplify everything and adhere to a strictly formulaic approach to live (it doesn't work that way. real life is not a 4 answer multiple choice test. you actually have to figure shit out lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    All I'm saying is I struggle to see how an event of this size can be laid entirely at the feet of educators. Is too much responsibility being laid at the feet of our educators? Isn't social disorder a large, complex problem that involves parents, community, government, wealth distribution, AND educators? What do you think? Where does the blame lie?

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    I'm feeling like we're seeing a backlash from a time when parents did NOT question the authority of educators and had less say in their children's education, so now we're shifting to the other extreme where we blame educators for everything and parents micromanage classroom syllabi.
    There is plenty of responsibility or blame to go round, and few are shouldering their share of it well. Parents do not always send children to school prepared to learn: adequately fed, dressed, supplied, and supervised. Many do not value true academic accomplishment, or teach respect for people and property at home.

    Schools, on the other hand, need to step up to the plate in setting the tone for the school environment. They need to say: whatever goes on outside, or at home, or anywhere else, HERE you will not fight, or bully, or be disrespectful. Then they must follow it up by disciplining violators, rather than imposing blanket restrictions that hurt the rule-abiding with little effect on the culprits. People in authority, however, seem increasingly reticent to sanction individual behavior.

    Where I live, schools micromanage student behavior throughout the day in a way that is alarmist and counterproductive. Students are expected to fit some mold, to learn to do things the school's way, rather than develop their own way. This is often at odds with what involved parents are trying to instill in their kids. The frequency of group work, "school spirit" activities, and constant interaction are especially taxing for introverted kids. Critical thinking is not emphasized. Health class is an exercise in politically correct propaganda. PE is given for only 2 semesters over 4 years of high school. Foreign language class is more like language appreciation than a way to learn to communicate. And this is supposed to be one of the better school districts.

    Finally, nowhere do I see much parental influence on curriculum. Most schools value or permit parent involvement only for fundraising, or chaperoning parties. Most parents are too sheepish or too trusting to examine curriculum with a critical eye, or to voice their opinions. Curriculum is based upon state standards, the development of which is unfortunately political. Teachers are held to those standards in a way that stifles creativity and tailoring lessons to suit the class or the student. They literally fear for their jobs if they try anything new.
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    Definitely, when parents learn to properly raise a child, than there wouldn't be as much a problem with your child in the first place. A teacher can only do so much. Not having enough time for the child isn't much of an excuse, you make time for the child even if it is late at night or early in the morning. If you truly care about your child, you'll be spending time making sure the kid isn't getting in trouble during and away from school hours.

    Some kids can't be properly "disciplined" without both the teacher and the parents doing something about it.

    Even then, so much is put onto the teachers that not all of them can properly teach while taking up the responsibility of what should be the parents. Likewise, the policies for what teachers can or cannot do is so strict that even if teachers were willing to do something.... they can't.... in fear of being sued.

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    The issue is that educators are being turned into chaperones and nannies, not teachers. More and more, people seem to want the teachers to play the role of a guidance counselor while completely neglecting any sort of actual teaching. This is breeding a micromanaging environment.
    The fact of the matter is, your teachers can't raise your kids. And they shouldn't. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing if a teacher can effectively convince a class of unruly students of the value of a college education and indepence, but they aren't the ones that should be instilling the values in the kids. It should be the parents, the guardians, and the culture. Unfortunately, American culture never really did put a whole lot of emphasis on drive. They just want the magical, wise old teachers to cast a spell and the kids will emerge transformed into healthy, successful individuals. Well, tough luck. It doesn't, and shouldn't work that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post

    .notice there is almost nothing available in public schools or college for financial education (how to survive on a low income, how to budget, how to manage money, how to pay bills, etc)

    My state(new jersey) actually just implemented a financial literacy class for such things. It is a required credit to graduate.


    It was a terrible and inefficient class though. But at least the effort is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Finally, nowhere do I see much parental influence on curriculum. Most schools value or permit parent involvement only for fundraising, or chaperoning parties. Most parents are too sheepish or too trusting to examine curriculum with a critical eye, or to voice their opinions. Curriculum is based upon state standards, the development of which is unfortunately political. Teachers are held to those standards in a way that stifles creativity and tailoring lessons to suit the class or the student. They literally fear for their jobs if they try anything new.
    Wow. I don't know where you live, but I've yet to attend a school or go a month without a local newsstory where some parent(s) are complaining about the reading materials required of their students or the appropriateness of sex ed. or the appropriateness of collegiate offerings on controversial topics like pornography in culture or studying religious texts (that aren't biblical). Lots and lots of parents giving schools an earful on what they think should be taught. Some schools react, some don't.
    But it's the new norm.
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