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    Comparisons, comparisons, comparisons.

    Everyone is satisfied until they think about the next or the other guy, why bother? If you where pleased with the grade why would knowledge of others having similar grades diminish it?

    To be this is, again, one of the down sides to consumer culture, its the academic equivalent of "I wanted it until I found out everyone had one".

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    I think college is becoming increasingly irrelevant, & decreasingly special... & I think trends like this are indicative of people getting dumber... due to how much is readily available to them. The more that's easily available to you, the less you work, & the less you develop. Nobody becomes a great person by sitting around in a bubble of suspended animation, never having to exert any effort at anything.

    I find college absurd & ridiculous for the most part... but I know that for some people it's a good thing.
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    I see the study only includes 4-year colleges and universities. It's a whole different world in the community colleges here, which are a lot more C-majority. Like @Glycerine, there are also the professors here who will say that they don't even give As (but of course a couple of students get As anyway). But then it sort of makes sense that the students who got the grades in high school to be admitted to university would continue to get better grades than those who didn't, and this especially extends to graduate students who must have got spectacular grades in college. It's all pretty arbitrary though.... as long as there is some variance in the student's scores and the awards given/future employers adjust to the grade inflation then go ahead and let more students feel the satisfaction of the little letter A (and maybe bring back the A+ to let those who did ridiculously well still feel all superior )


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    I find foreign school systems a bit confusing, so I ask: College = High School, like university?
    "College" is nearly the same as university in the U.S., both are postsecondary (after high school, which is for everyone). It is a confusing system though...

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    I go to a large state school. There is, I think, a standard by which they judge how many A's are acceptable. Whenever I've looked into the matter..it's always seemed like it's been
    15% A's
    25% B's
    The rest; C's, D's, F's,incompletes, withdrawals, and "change to audit".

    I think the mean GPA is 3.1 ish...and that's taking into account all the upper level classes where they all get A's and B's. That means there are definitely a significant amount of people who are getting B's and C's.

    It doesn't even matter anymore..like someone said...what a grade means for one school, can mean a different thing altogether for another. Even among teachers...you can probably, overall, boost your grade up a couple points simply by choosing the right teachers..and doing the same amount/caliber work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Everyone is satisfied until they think about the next or the other guy, why bother? If you where pleased with the grade why would knowledge of others having similar grades diminish it?
    Dude, what are you talking about? The value of a particular grade is relative to the overall grade distribution.

    I like my B a lot better if no one received an A. Conversely, I don't like my B if everyone else received an A grade. Therefore, I am never satisfied until I know what the grade distribution was and where I fell on the scale.

    Either way, grade inflation is a fact of life. B is the new C, etc., etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haight View Post
    Dude, what are you talking about? The value of a particular grade is relative to the overall grade distribution.

    I like my B a lot better if no one received an A. Conversely, I don't like my B if everyone else received an A grade. Therefore, I am never satisfied until I know what the grade distribution was and where I fell on the scale.

    Either way, grade inflation is a fact of life. B is the new C, etc., etc.
    I dont see it that way, the same way that I dont think that accreditation or qualifications should be a sign post to privilege or guarantee of employment, studies are studies and should be about an individual's acquisition of knowledge.

    A lot of the time when I hear people complain about grade inflation it is about pulling up the ladder once they have secured their position, like all the new labour politicians who rushed to abolish tax funded university tuition fees and subsistance grants and associated benefits for students when they had benefited from them themselves.

    The more I hear about stuff like this the more I think that Ivan Illich will be vindicated in the end.

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    Some classes are definitely easier than others. I would take classes in other people's majors (like poli sci) for fun and a much easier grade. No one outside the engineering school ever seemed to take my chem or engineering classes for the same reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Some classes are definitely easier than others. I would take classes in other people's majors (like poli sci) for fun and a much easier grade.
    Yeah, I did the same. Majored in molecular bio; took a few psychology and sociology classes for fun/interest/easy A. Even with these courses, I don't think the marks were half As. It might be different here in Canada. In most of my classes, the average was in the low 70s (considered a low B).

    If everyone's grades are getting inflated, I don't think it really matters. Students will still compare their grades to the class averages; entry into grad schools and post-degree programs will still depend on getting high marks relative to your peers, etc. Only way I can see it being unfair is if there isn't consistency between schools or programs, and students from one school or program have an advantage over others because they have an easier time getting high marks.

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    Here is how I would want grades done in a perfect world:

    I always figured that, for a proper assessment of the student's abilities, there should be as many A's as there are F's. These are outliers, of course, but it would be the most fair way to assess academic prowess. You would know exactly who is excelling and who is doing the opposite of excelling. I mean, if nearly half of the grades are A, then how many Bs are there. Add the two together. These are good students. They are significantly better than the average students. Average students should be the majority. But average isn't good enough. It is degrading and we have enormous egos. So everyone gets A instead.

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    I think that, as a matter of policy things seem to get hairy.

    On one hand, if everyone get's A's, who is truly the best? I think they ALL are then the best, and then academics should not be a deciding factor on what have you.

    Now, I understand upper levels only have so many spots....for this, I have to defer to professors actually dealing with it.

    To be honest, I do not feel that any class I earned a B in, I truly mastered. Not all A earned classes, were mastered either...but were darn close.

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