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    Post On the job Teamwork/groupwork

    Group work = having to work in a team of more than 2 people on a project where you have to coordinate and communicate effectively with each other in order to meet a deadline.

    I know that I'll be doing teamwork for many years to come and I don't mind doing it IF the other people carry their load. I only dislike teamwork when I have to carry most of the load and do other people's job. Then it's just really tiring and the empty promise people are frustrating. This has been my experience in school.

    Please tell me that groupwork or teamwork gets easier and better on the job than it does while in school. Tell me that people who don't carry their load are weeded out at the job level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Assuming that you have to work in a team of more than 2 people on 1 project where you have to coordinate and communicate effectively with each other in order to meet a deadline.

    I know that I'll be doing teamwork for many years to come and I don't mind doing it IF others do their job. I only dislike it when I'm carrying most of the load and doing other people's job.

    Please tell me that groupwork or teamwork gets easier and better on the job than it does while in school?
    On the job, it's the same sort of crapshoot as school. I hated group work in college and I have worked on group projects on the job that suck in the same way but sometimes not. The same rules apply - one person in charge of coordinating and that one person having the ability to not be a dictator and take all opinions/views/ideas into account as well as being a cheerleader and motivator. It's the job ENFJ's were born to do
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    Well, it's always like that, yes. But you don't need to carry more load than your fair share, if you're willing to accept that the deadline will not be met and everyone will be worse off. It's the only way to solve the tragedy of the commons with an equally shared payoff. I've done it sometimes, it's not that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    On the job, it's the same sort of crapshoot as school. I hated group work in college and I have worked on group projects on the job that suck in the same way but sometimes not. The same rules apply - one person in charge of coordinating and that one person having the ability to not be a dictator and take all opinions/views/ideas into account as well as being a cheerleader and motivator. It's the job ENFJ's were born to do
    This is why I hope I never become a manager anywhere. I hate bossing adults around and trying to motivate them to do things. People are difficult and that is the opposite of my idea of fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well, it's always like that, yes. But you don't need to carry more load than your fair share, if you're willing to accept that the deadline will not be met and everyone will be worse off. It's the only way to solve the tragedy of the commons with an equally shared payoff. I've done it sometimes, it's not that bad.
    The bolded makes me cringe. :S I want to do good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    This is why I hope I never become a manager anywhere. I hate bossing adults around and trying to motivate them to do things. I try my best to avoid it, unless it's something I really need.

    My husband isn't a manager but a senior adviser/mentor to newer people in his field at his company. He's so good at it, it's sickening. But I think it exhausts him more quickly now than it use to so I don't know that it's anything any person can do indefinitely. Don't feel bad, I'd make a terrible manager too.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    The bolded makes me cringe. :S I want to do good.
    Ah, okay. Then either you choose your group carefully or yeah, it's inevitable, you have to do more than someone else who's slacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    My husband isn't a manager but a senior adviser/mentor to newer people in his field at his company. He's so good at it, it's sickening. But I think it exhausts him more quickly now than it use to so I don't know that it's anything any person can do indefinitely. Don't feel bad, I'd make a terrible manager too.
    Hmm.. adviser/mentor sounds way better. What is the difference between manager and adviser/mentor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Hmm.. adviser/mentor sounds way better. What is the difference between manager and adviser/mentor?
    He isn't in a supervisory position at all. He's a senior property risk specialist and his specialty is fire and commercial facilities. He is kind of a go to person for questions posed by other property people and he reviews reports that get sent back to managers for their employees. He would be very unhappy tied to a desk and office every day and that would be the case as a manager. He loves being in the field and handling the technical aspect of things. Plus he is an ENFJ - superb people skills. The clients love him, so much they insist on dealing with him only, even if it is out of his regional territory. Which is why he is in Phoenix all week.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    I'm actually in a managerial position, Giggly, and it's not as tough as you might think. Granted, I can be a bit of a tyrant sometimes, but I've founded that so long as I can talk to people like they're intelligent equals and show them how I want it done, people usually (but not always) do what I need to do.

    On a side note, I really dislike the term "motivating people." If I'm paying someone to do something and they're not self-motivated enough to do what I contract them to do, then I have no issue with kicking their asses to the curb.
    "The man who is swimming against the stream knows the strength of it."
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    I work as a manager/adviser/mentor/trainer among other things. I really don't mind teamwork from the perspective I have. My work generally requires multiple people to successfully accomplish a task and my job is to put together groups and then work with them individually to make sure they have the required knowledge/skills/abilities. There's actually a bit of fun to be had when you recognize the various skills of your team members and arrange them for the best possible outcome. Just because someone is basically worthless as a worker doesn't mean they can't contribute to the right kind of team...

    When I'm down in the trenches, I'm an absolute tyrant. I'll always ask for opinions and advice, but when it comes down to it I'll order the hell out of folks to get things done.

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