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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I do have to laugh at ICUP's similar thread since they are complaining about being too old at 29 and I am thinking I am too old at 33.
    Wait, I thought you were like 47. No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    [*]What are other career options that I could explore?
    Think of a job that you'd look forward to waking up in the morning

    [*]How do I go about creating an actual game plan to get these ideas done?
    Try to expose yourself to that job in some ways. Either by meeting people who work there, volunteering, etc.
    Just don't rush to sign up for a school offering a degree in your desired field, because 1. Studying a certain field in college isn't the same as working in that field, in fact, it could be a completely different experience. 2. You might not even need a degree to work there, (experience almost always beats education) 3. Chances are, you will incur an ASSLOAD of debt

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    It will end before you know it, so make the most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Wait, I thought you were like 47. No?
    Yeah, 1977 is a pretty old year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Think of a job that you'd look forward to waking up in the morning



    Try to expose yourself to that job in some ways. Either by meeting people who work there, volunteering, etc.
    Just don't rush to sign up for a school offering a degree in your desired field, because 1. Studying a certain field in college isn't the same as working in that field, in fact, it could be a completely different experience. 2. You might not even need a degree to work there, (experience almost always beats education) 3. Chances are, you will incur an ASSLOAD of debt


    It will end before you know it, so make the most of it.



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    Thanks, Edgar! Very succinct advice. I appreciate it. I am going to do some brainstorming of ideas and I will keep that in mind (looking forward to waking up) when I do it.

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    I changed at thirty. Find a passion and work towards it. There is always the point you have to take the leap. This old book Pathfinder was pretty good at helping decide on careers. I like Jim Collin's hedgehog concept too. One word of warning, no matter how much passion you have there will always be times and aspects that you dislike your work. That's why you get paid, otherwise they'd be charging you. But if you have passion, you can put up with pain, that's the magic of passion.

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    Saturned,
    I'm going to start a Psych degree by correspondence next year, because I like the idea of being paid to chat to people for a living. I'm also 33 as well. Also it is my intention to write a self help book which is an international best seller, and earns me pots of money. I'm thinking of calling it something oober cheesy, like the road less travelled, or some thing like that. As a co-worker said to me " if you actually did half, even a quarter of the ideas you come with, I think you would be a millionaire. Or at least extremely well off."
    I'm serious about the the Psych degree though.
    Currently submerged under an avalanche of books and paper work. I may come back up for air from time to time.
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    By "your people", I mean the type of people you like to spend time with. It's OK to be picky here. You may be able to spend a lot of time with a lot of different types of people. Most people are so able. The question is who will bring you the most energy, enthusiasm, and interest to interact with, especially in a work capacity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I have thought about this. ^_^ I likez ze animals!



    Interests: Animals, science, learning, creating, people, writing, reading, analyzing.

    Desired Skills: Being creative, inventive, independence, analyzing, problem solving, idea generating

    People: ???

    Lifestyle: Being independent/self-sufficient, low-key, hopefully someday by a giant pool of water

    Role in World: Bringing meaning to life, showing something new, creating something new, helping somehow making something vaguely better

    Occupations: Writing.... And now I am re-stuck.



    Haha, yes. Except for the fact that me being a scientist would be all about me being alone on a boat somewhere doing things alone and not talking to another human being for a few years. Which sounds perfectly lovely to me, but doesn't really bring a soul kind of meaning to anyone's life. Plus it would encourage my hermitage self to come forth and take over. Wait... maybe that isn't a bad idea... Ok, goodbye forever! I am off to my island in the south Pacific!

    Based on all this, what is your real objection to Marine Biologist?

    The criticisms you brought up are necessarily true. You could be a marine biologist for an aquarium and spend a lot of time with people. Even on your field trips you would usually go with a team of biologists, is my understanding. The days of the solo scientist are long behind us, if they ever existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    The days of the solo scientist are long behind us, if they ever existed.
    Except for in universities. University scientists are, for the most part, able to run their own show. They may have a small lab with just one or a few researchers working under them (very small group), and there are even others who do not have a research team - who do some independent research or maybe research in an area like "science education" where no real labwork is necessary. Collaboration between scientists does happen, but many of them do stay to themselves in large part. It is never totally 100% solitary but, relative to other careers, there is a lot of independence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalViolet View Post
    As a co-worker said to me " if you actually did half, even a quarter of the ideas you come with, I think you would be a millionaire. Or at least extremely well off."
    Of this, I know well. I have a book of "ideas" where, when I get an idea, I write it down to research later and determine feasibility. Everything from a new system for ankle strap shoes to an air-powered car. I think having 3 in my tritype must be useful, because I do actually have enough motivation to get stuff done. But I get side-tracked so very badly sometimes. Only now am I coming close to the fruition of one idea, over 2 years after the idea first came to me. I planned it on such a massive scale I nearly paralyzed my activity on it.

    But still, so many ideas, so little time. Now if I could clone myself ...

    The key question Saturned, is to answer, "What Do You Want?" And that is the hardest question of all. I decided that step 1 of that answer for me was to have no debt. Thus enabling me to freely pursue more NF passions, without the fear of ignoring important financial obligations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Except for in universities. University scientists are, for the most part, able to run their own show. They may have a small lab with just one or a few researchers working under them (very small group), and there are even others who do not have a research team - who do some independent research or maybe research in an area like "science education" where no real labwork is necessary. Collaboration between scientists does happen, but many of them do stay to themselves in large part. It is never totally 100% solitary but, relative to other careers, there is a lot of independence.
    I believe the more productive scientists are more collaborative. There is more chance of cross-pollination of ideas that way. My impression was that to even be successful, you have to be in correspondence with a great number of other scientists and engineers. Publish or perish...and publications generally require a great deal of understanding of prior research.

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    Well most research groups in my field have multi-disciplinary collaborators which may be across campus, in govt labs, other universities or even industry (or some combination of the above). It is true there is a fair amount of independence particularly with schedule but it really isn't a solitary existence. There is a pretty constant stream of visitors, emails, phone calls, etc..

    And lab groups can get reasonably good sized: a couple of masters, a PhD candidate and a post doc plus the primary is a pretty leaned down lab group. I've seen labs with ten or twelve people in them. And if two investigators on the same campus or (especially) same department collaborate closely the effective size of the lab group gets big fast as everybody overlaps.
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