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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If we were to do a degree in Psychology, with Psychometrics as our major, at a reputable University, we would discover that MBTI is a fake personality test used by the military/industrial complex to manipulate recruits and employees.

    We would discover MBTI has the same truth value as astrology, phrenology, tarot, homeopathy and alchemy.
    some of us already have degrees in psychology from reputable universities and are aware that the MBTI is an artificial measurement occasionally used by non-healthcare institutes to make fairly uneducated decisions.

    the difference between psuedoscience and the MBTI is that the MBTI is, by name, an indicator. not a determinant.

    plus- can't blame it on the test. blame it on dumb people. any measurement scale should be taken with a grain of salt.

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    as to the topic itself - i'm curious about getting certified, too. i've never looked it up before.

    i've proctored mini-MBTIs yes, the shitty "if you like parties you are an E" kind

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    It is pretty easy to get certified-you take a 3-day long course. There are a few other folks on the forum also certified besides myself. Once you complete the course you are eligible to purchase and administer the MBTI tests. The cost of the course is expensive-about $1400.

    Most of the folks in my course were in the ministry actually as they commonly use it as a pre-marital counseling tool. We also had several HR folks and two ladies from a counseling background in the course.

    To turn it into a career you would need to get certified then find a place to apply it. My company uses DISC or Insights rather than MBTI as they are more simple for most people to understand. Once certified you can set up an online test site and then practice on a number of folks, then find a place to offer your services for free for awhile to build skill set-I have considered volentering at my son's high school for instance or perhaps offer your services at your church. the training organizations actually have coaches in your location who will routinely offer guidance as they like to see their trainees become succesful at applying the tool.

    The downside is that to be a real career you would likely need to couple it with an MS degree in counseling or dovetail into an HR career or perhaps training. Likely this depends on how good you are at networking and what other skill sets you can combine it with as a consultant.

    If you go to the CPP website you can also purchase a number of good MBTI and Jungian books for fairly low costs as well.

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    To be certified in MBTI is to be certified in an ideology rather than a science.

    So it seems to me to be important to learn what an ideology is and how it functions.

    Also it is very important to learn how the ideology of MBTI fits into the larger ideology of our country.

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    thanks, orobas.

    i'm sort of at this awful point in my life where i'm finding it difficult to support myself and go to school. it's rather aggravating. so i was thinking it might be a possible way to support myself until i'm able to finish school.

    my worry is that i'll chalk up the money to become certified, and won't be able to actually apply it anywhere.
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    An ENFP career counselor at my community college is certified. I feel like I tend to understand it better than her. ><


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    funny, i have a good friend who's sister is certified to give out the mbti for some company. this sister typed my friend as an ISTJ. i was very persistent, however, in telling my friend that the sister was wrong, and that she is actually an ESTJ. a few months back, my friend finally came back to me and said she did some research and is now certain that i was right in my assessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Really? You couldn't describe the traditional Russian or Arabic world with it? How come I've met an Iranian ISTJ and an ENTJ who had never been outside of Russia in his life until he came to the U.S. for a few months? (yes, they both actually took the test, and I knew the ISTJ was an ISTJ before he took it, and knew the ENTJ was an ENxJ before he took it).

    I think functionality/function order explains all, no matter which culture, bro. Anyone who can't differentiate between cultures probably has too shallow of an understanding of personality theory.
    Simplest explanation would be that words like Intuition or Sensing aint even availiable in German in the sense they are meant in english. Intuition would be widely be understood as some sort of mystical power and Sensing is not readily translateable at all. Even the distinction between Feeler and Thinker types, many people where I come from would find ridicoulus because it does put peoples life into boxes. Other thing is the job descriptions in mbti are gender equal. Most of the arabian world isnt gender equal. Another thing is, some mbti descriptions are empowering individuality. In old Russia, the exact opposite would have been the case.

    There is always with everything on this World a direct connection to the time it was written in, tho human psychology should be timeless. I agree with personality being bound to the time aswell, therefore mbti isnt useless, but it is not the answer on the quest for self, not even 10%.

    My gf has a very good understanding of the human nature, she has a natural ability when it comes to counselling or having an open ear for people. Her opinion on mbti is that she thinks its bullshit and that it would confuse people more than it would actually help them. I dont share her opinion 100%, my opinion is that it does help the ones who are in emotional distress. It lets you feel you are special and even tells you why and who doesnt like to hear that in times where people are growing more and more unindependant of each other. My gf was actually equipped thru her family with a great sense of understanding of the human nature, I wasnt and to me mbti was an enlightenment. It is my personal theory, you can think of it as you want, I feel that by the end of the day, I'll be right.
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    Wait...wasn't Socionics developed in the former Soviet Union? The Socionics Research Institute is in Moscow. Soooo...I'm guessing you're saying the problem is *specifically* with MBTI, not with Jungian functions or personality theory...at least when you're talking about Russia...

    You're saying that the concepts behind the way MBTI does job placement wouldn't fly in traditional Arabic cultures, is that what you're saying?

    Because I was under the impression you were saying the personality descriptions wouldn't apply to people who lived in those cultures until young adulthood, and on that score at least I can tell you that you're wrong.

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    I am saying the acceptance of mbti is culture dependant and I am sure mbti will need to be rewritten some times to keep it acceptance.

    I dont want to question your believe in the theory, I am just differently. I have a very sceptic and distrustful nature and even if you'ld answer the question after life, the universe and everything for me, I'ld doubt you answer. Cause I believe in nothing except myself.
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    I agree that it could be re-written and explained differently, and I agree MBTI itself has its limits and I believe function theory is better.

    I can also see how some facets of personality theory might not be accepted in some cultures...but even if it's not accepted, I don't think that makes it less applicable.

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