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    Well, so far overwhelming response seems to be to go for it. Thanks for the advice, all. I know they'd be fine without me, I just feel bad 'cause they'd have to go to all the trouble of hiring someone new, training them, etc... they didn't have to invest ANY time/money in training me, because I'd been practically doing the job already for about a year when I finally officially got it.

    Also Oberon you make a good point... there would probably be a few people in the office who'd be happy to have a position open up. But Coriolis makes a good point too, that maybe they would match the pay to keep me. Hmmm, do they like me that much? Maybe....

    Well I'll for sure apply. Then we'll see what happens....
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    tell your current employer about the new, better job offer, and how it suggests that your labor and contributions are being undervalued. See if they can match their pay offer, at the least. if not, then leave.


    Not only will it pressure them to pay you more, but if they don't put out, you will feel less guiltly later on about leaving, because you will have given them the opportunity to hold onto you which in all fairness, they do deserve that opportunity. don't keep them in the dark then leave, that's a shitty thing to do and it is likely to eat up a good infj's soul later on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I'd leave to pursue the better offer. Don't let ethics or guilt hold you back. Your current employer wouldn't, if they had to. Make the best decision for you and your family. Nobody else matters.
    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I think you owe it to your colleagues in your current workplace to move on, opening up another position for one of them to be promoted into.

    In all seriousness, you do what you have to do where jobs are concerned. Your employer would not bat an eye at letting you go if their business model required it.
    I'm former government/DOD, and my attitude is "few employers seem to be worthy of commitment." I have older coworkers, some of whom spent a long time in the military, who say "NO employer is worthy of loyalty." As mentioned above, most employers won't bat an eye about letting someone go if it fits their business model or economic needs. As a pretty loyal guy, I'm still reeling in the shock of adjusting to the reality of attitude between employees and employers. I've seen "idealisticly-minded" [NOT necessarily MBTI NF however], make decisions for idealisticly-releated reasons, and then feel very fucked over for it. As strange as it initially felt for me to say this, there is a lot of advantage to taking a "mercenary" attitude towards employment. I read news articles about current job hiring/transferring trends, and said articles clearly say that companies*expect* employees to go elsewhere if given more pay/better options.

    I think the last idea of going to your current employer and asking them to match whatever offer you may get elsewhere is a great idea, unless you think they will say yes and you'll get stuck there.

    I've met a numbe rof people who have said "quitting my last/previous job was the best decision I ever made."

    Good luck!

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    Congrats on taking the new job. 6 months in your last position is more than enough.
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    I think that you should take the new job if you would get it. The benefits to it far outweigh the negatives of leaving your current one (although I completely understand, it's hard to put notice in, especially if you're on good terms with your coworkers. Almost two years ago I quit my job and *I* was the one with a few tears going down my face when I gave my boss notice (she was an awesome boss and I adored my team, lol), I just felt so bad.

    But in the end, these things happen all of the time in the working world. Think of it this way - you put in many solid years of helping them out. And I'd bet they'd send you off with encouragement and many would do the exact same thing in your position.

    And yes... there will be many current employees or others in different dept's who could do a lateral transfer or something that would be more than willing to take the spot you'd be leaving!!! Yes, they'd have to be trained in, but in the end... it's really not something you should have to worry about. That's the name of the game, and.... it is YOUR life to do and live the way you desire!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle99 View Post
    (Of course, this is all assuming I am offered the position! I think I'll apply either way and if offered it I'll decide what to do, but of course I might not even be offered it! But I think I have a good chance.)
    That was my initial thought.

    I would say definitely take it, the proximity thing is a big plus and next to that the increased leave, you'll not regret a single day off work on your death bed that's for sure and take advantage of the time now because you're a long time dead too.

    Its understandable the reluctance to leave but you have to think of yourself too, I'm pretty sure no agency exploits their workers as ruthlessly as mine but I've found that they will exploit you as much as you let them and most employers depend most heavily on their conscientious staff and also on their conscientious staff passing up opportunities or alternatives.

    Although a few things to keep in mind, see if you can size up potential direct line managers at interview if they are present, also ask about the team's composition, age, gender, stuff like that, I've known people who really rip the arse out of this asking about whether or not there's an internal candidate for the post, whether the team's morale is good, what is sickness like for the last couple of months within the team etc.

    To some of which they've not gotten answers and probably run risks of alienating the panel but there's one thing I've learned about work you can cope with a mean boss and good colleagues or a good boss and mean colleagues but you cant cope with a mean boss and bad colleagues at once.

    Just stuff I consider too, presumably you've got good relationships with seniors and colleagues where you are and that's part of why you dont want to leave. Good Luck

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    go for it and talk yourself up at the interview. hold the self-deprecating stuff. SELL, SELL, SELL.

    no organisation can expect their employees to stick around forever.

    best of luck.

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    Just thinking of these poor dictators bring tears to my eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I think you owe it to your colleagues in your current workplace to move on, opening up another position for one of them to be promoted into.

    In all seriousness, you do what you have to do where jobs are concerned. Your employer would not bat an eye at letting you go if their business model required it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    tell your current employer about the new, better job offer, and how it suggests that your labor and contributions are being undervalued. See if they can match their pay offer, at the least. if not, then leave.

    Not only will it pressure them to pay you more, but if they don't put out, you will feel less guiltly later on about leaving, because you will have given them the opportunity to hold onto you which in all fairness, they do deserve that opportunity. don't keep them in the dark then leave, that's a shitty thing to do and it is likely to eat up a good infj's soul later on.
    I agree with just about everything in this thread but would be a little careful with this advice. Your employer is not just a faceless entity. It consists of people that can and do have emotions and can hold grudges. That is, if you demand more money and they give it to you, it is possible that somebody may resent this. I know because I did this once. They gave me a 40% increase. I stayed. I didn't find out till much later that I had pissed somebody off with that gesture. Was it the right thing to do or would I do it again? Not sure. Maybe.

    There are times when it makes a tremendous amount of sense to get a different job. I wouldn't just make the decision based on salary. You have to enjoy what you're doing. In financial terms, long term opportunity tends to matter more than short term dollars.

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