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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    The series is ba-b+1=2010 which gives you b=2009/(a-1)

    It looks like you're asking for the factors of 2009 and adding 1 to them.

    8, 42, 50, 288
    You got it?

    But may I ask, where does that 'b' come from?

    And what the hell did you do? Kinda skipped a bit at the start

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    Alright, new question...




    Is it possible to place all the numbers from 1 to 12 along the circumference of a circle so that for every three numbers a,b and c ,such that, b is next to a, and c is next to b, and the number b squared - ac is divisible by 13?

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    Do you see my first post where I wrote down that series? The number you replace becomes part of a series. It starts with a (all 3 numbers are a), the second number becomes 2a-1. The third becomes 3a-2, the fourth 4a-3. You should see a pattern with the numbers. Take 4a-3. If you substitute "b" in the place of 4, and b-1 in the place of 3, (which works for all expressions in this series), you get:

    b*a - (b-1) = 2010

    You can then simplify the expression to:

    b*a-b=2009

    Then factor out b:

    b(a-1)=2009

    Knowing that b and a are both integers, it should be pretty obvious that you're simply looking for the factors of 2009. Since we're looking for "a", you need to add 1 to the factors for your answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming View Post
    Alright, new question...




    Is it possible to place all the numbers from 1 to 12 along the circumference of a circle so that for every three numbers a,b and c ,such that, b is next to a, and c is next to b, and the number b squared - ac is divisible by 13?
    I need clarification. Is each set of 3 numbers exclusive to all other sets? Or does each number belong to 3 separate sets?

    Here's an example:

    Let's say you have 1 4 9 5 7 8

    Would you only be concerned with 1 4 9? Then 5 7 8? Or would you also be concerned with 4 9 5 and 9 5 7?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I need clarification. Is each set of 3 numbers exclusive to all other sets? Or does each number belong to 3 separate sets?

    Here's an example:

    Let's say you have 1 4 9 5 7 8

    Would you only be concerned with 1 4 9? Then 5 7 8? Or would you also be concerned with 4 9 5 and 9 5 7?
    You would be concerned with 495, 957, etc. etc. It's not exclusive.

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    Then the answer is no, because 3^2 (and 2^2 and 1^2) is less than 13 (assuming that "divisible by 13" means you are looking for an integer).

    Edit: wait, I was assuming positive integers.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Then the answer is no, because 3^2 (and 2^2 and 1^2) is less than 13 (assuming that "divisible by 13" means you are looking for an integer).

    Edit: wait, I was assuming positive integers.
    It's possible, try again. (I'm not joking..)

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    12 2 9 8 10 6 1 11 4 5 3 7
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    I think this is the answer. This is similar to Fibonacci Sequence (), except we don't necessarily start with F(0)=0 and F(1)=1.

    From Wikipedia Fibonacci number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





    So start with 2010/X = 1.618033 ==> X=1242, then fill in the rest. 1.618033 is the ratio of the difference between each number of N, using this will make everything add up correctly in the appropriate stacks, for lack of better terminology.

    You will get the sequence

    2010 1242 768 474 293 181 112 69 43 26 16 10 6 4 2 2 0.

    So one answer is 2 2 2, that will start this sequence. Any other combination will not get us to 2010. But then we also have a trivial answer of 1005 1005 1005, which is going off the seed values and stopping right after, which is too short to even start seeing the ratio appear.

    Wikipedia has some sort of pictures to explain the ratio relationship by showing parts of the sequence as representing a spiral, but it didn't seem clear to me. I think the summation was a lot clearer and the spiral is good for just visualizing the idea, I guess.




    I like math

    Edit: Wait, no. That's not right.

    Edit: Ming, is it even possible to solve this problem? Outside of a being 1020. I'm not 100% sure, but if I had to stack my life on it, I would say you proposed a trick question that has no answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    The series is ba-b+1=2010 which gives you b=2009/(a-1)

    It looks like you're asking for the factors of 2009 and adding 1 to them.

    8, 42, 50, 288
    nice!!
    This post grammatical errors had been intentionally left uncorrected.

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