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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    If you don't mind saying... what on earth has been happening there?
    I go to a school where grades and individual achievements and enrichment are not appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I go to a school where grades and individual achievements and enrichment are not appreciated.
    What is then? I can only assume some kind of fitting in and playing the social game...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    What is then? I can only assume some kind of fitting in and playing the social game...
    Extracarriculars through the school are the most important thing. If you're not doing what they offer then you're not doing anything at all, you're a lazy ass bitch even if you're taking 4 AP classes and an advanced math class as the community college and countless things on your own and with people who have no connection to the school. It doesn't count unless it is right in front of them, you see, it's unfathomable that you do things outside of the school and outside of your peer group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Extracarriculars through the school are the most important thing. If you're not doing what they offer then you're not doing anything at all, you're a lazy ass bitch even if you're taking 4 AP classes and an advanced math class as the community college and countless things on your own and with people who have no connection to the school. It doesn't count unless it is right in front of them, you see, it's unfathomable that you do things outside of the school and outside of your peer group.
    That's maybe not so surprising, it sounds like they have a kind of hidebound loyalty to their own institution and care more about it than the achievements of their students, as such - and expect you to do likewise... I'm wondering if it could be one of those socially prestigious schools; they tend to discourage independent individual achievement to some extent because a lot of students take success in life for granted, and to arise more through networking and status than academic performance. It's alright to do well, as long as you don't do TOO well, and show the others up... Or I could be completely wrong, I don't know much about you after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    See, apparently school-life is female friendly.

    However, as a female, I've been reviled all through school, only tolerated because of my grades. Aside from grades, I am the scum of the earth..
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    Great article, thank you for posting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix13 View Post
    The case of the transgendered woman was quite disturbing. This is pretty common in male-dominated fields, but the opposite happends in female-dominated fields. For example, a male friend of mine works with emotionally troubled middle-schoolers. All of his coworkers are women, and they interrupt him constantly, and don't listen to him the way they listen to other women.
    Which is a great point. It's not necessarily a male/female thing, it's mostly that the dominant crew rewards those who are similar and punishes/restricts those who are taken less seriously. In an environment dominated by women, women's rules will prevail.

    Still, there's a lot of weirdness that goes on.

    I have a m2f friend who is a pharmacologist out west. She transitioned on the job a little over a year ago. She's generally low-key in personal demeanor but professionally can be a Type A personality when it comes to problem resolution.

    The environment is generally female, within the medical facility, and she has female staff over her. She reports that when she was working as a male, she sometimes made unilateral decisions and was rewarded on performance reviews for making those decisions even if she disrupted the chain of command. However, after she transitioned, when she repeated the behavior, she was dragged in front of her female superiors and officially disciplined (receiving a bad mark on her performance review). The major difference is that she was now a female.

    It appears some type of dynamic changed, it's just hard to determine whether it was a gender shift that put her within the "official scope" of those in charge now, or maybe whether her behavior was disruptive before and the care people had to take with her transition burned up her capital reserve or what....

    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    There's been some thing of a back lash against equality and feminism.
    I felt like most of it was just because feminists were dictating women's behavior through the 80's and 90's, but frankly there were a lot of women who were more moderate in approach and found some value in more traditional "female" activities (such as motherhood) and they once again felt like someone ELSE was now telling them who they had to be and what they had to do with their lives.

    Anytime a position becomes too extreme, a backlash will build up. (It's the same reason Obama took so much crap over the last year; if people hadn't touted him as the Second Coming, the public negativity would not have been as severe.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    ...the rest just think it's boy's being boy's when they have to rely on woman for menial work that isn't part of their job or accept as a normal occurrence that they should automatically be willing baristas because they don't have a dick. They're told it's normal so why think differently.
    Yes, I've experienced that... although it's hard to tell whether it's because of the job or the gender.

    Typically the women are more likely to make coffee and/or ice in the lunchroom at my old job ... but because they're more sensitive to other people than the T-style men tend to be. Still, I've seen the guys do it too.

    I had this weird thing where I ended up doing supply orders for my department. I started doing this before my change, so I don't think it was entirely gender-related, and the other aspect was because I was a documentation person and they didn't want to tie down the programming staff doing supply orders... bad use of resources, I guess. When I switched to a developer position, despite my other changeover, that duty was eventually moved to the other documentation writer... who was also female. Female programmers (of which maybe we had maybe 1 other one in the whole department) were not expected to do that task.

    Still, it gets weird gender-wise because of the gender skew in the departments. We have had very few hard-core developer staff who are female -- over my 12 years there, maybe only 3-5% of the entire staff? (And I think they were all of either Russian or Indian descent, aside from me!) Thus what might look like gender bias might just be role prioritization; the women are more likely to take the support-oriented positions to start with (documentation, tech support, testing, etc), tasks that might pay less, thus out of everyone they are automatically nudged to do the "junk tasks" too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    That's maybe not so surprising, it sounds like they have a kind of hidebound loyalty to their own institution and care more about it than the achievements of their students, as such - and expect you to do likewise... I'm wondering if it could be one of those socially prestigious schools; they tend to discourage independent individual achievement to some extent because a lot of students take success in life for granted, and to arise more through networking and status than academic performance. It's alright to do well, as long as you don't do TOO well, and show the others up... Or I could be completely wrong, I don't know much about you after all.
    I can't say the school is "prestigious." It's not a private institution -- all the teenagers there are forced to be there by law. There's no encouragement for anything outside of school. Whenever I say I write they say I should write for the newspaper (even though that's a completely different writing) and whenever I draw they say I should be in an art class (even though my crammed school schedule left no time for art), anything I do is not allowed to speak for itself but instead must have someone else speak for it, because a piece of writing is not good unless it has a recommendation behind it. Those at school are not allowed to think for themselves but must allow someone in a position of power decide for them. If I'm not rubbing shoulders with someone at the school (even if I do with professionals outside), it's absolutely worthless. I could have several published novels and they wouldn't give a shit, and class me as the same as those who go back home and get high every day, never doing any homework and never doing anything to prepare for the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Are you going to do it or should I just kill myself?
    You should probably wait until you get real problems. More satisfying that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    You should probably wait until you get real problems. More satisfying that way.
    I have no future. Is that a problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I have no future. Is that a problem?
    Not enough for me to kill you.
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