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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    Whoa, sounds like she has control issues and is scared that the "gifted" children will one-up her...she acts preemptively to put the children "in their place". Maybe moving your daughter to a different class might be best? But then, the teacher gets her way...ugh.
    I missed your comment earlier! It does seem like she has control issues and I do think she tries to level the mental playing field with her comments. Thanks for your input!

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    How about just have your kid make fun of said teacher along the lines of the fact that she's a control freak who wasn't smart enough to get any other job in which she'd have legitimate authority over anybody else except children.

    At least the whole class would get a laugh. Probably so would the principal.

    But more seriously, just go to the higher up admins. This woman has a major problem. We need smart kids in this country ASAP post haste whatever you want to call it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    How about just have your kid make fun of said teacher along the lines of the fact that she's a control freak who wasn't smart enough to get any other job in which she'd have legitimate authority over anybody else except children.

    At least the whole class would get a laugh. Probably so would the principal.

    But more seriously, just go to the higher up admins. This woman has a major problem. We need smart kids in this country ASAP post haste whatever you want to call it.
    My younger brother used to get sent to the office often because of this kind of behaviour. There were times, though, where that would result in the teacher getting into trouble afterwards.
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    Everybody expects his/her children to be a genius.

    However, it's very seldom the case.

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    Anyway. In France, we do not have these "gifted classes", so I'm wondering what kind of effect they could practically have, especially on how children perceive themselves.

    Fact is, when I was 8 or 9, I had lot of issues with my teacher, and she singled me out most of the time. I was awarded a kind of "special treatment": she kept me away, far to the rear of the classroom, where nobody would disturb me while I was reading dictionaries and encyclopedias, even her. Somehow, we agreed to ignore each other.

    She knew she had nothing to teach me, that she was simply wasting her time with me, and while the other kids were trying to paint animal's cartoons or to learn how to knit wool, I prefered to wonder about different geometrical ways to construct a pentagon with a compass, or the mysteries behind magnetic fields. Or problems like this.

    I was considered a bit odd by my fellow classmates (especially since I was the youngest), yet social nonetheless -I was a trickster, and making elaborate pranks was one of my favorite activities-.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    But more seriously, just go to the higher up admins. This woman has a major problem. We need smart kids in this country ASAP post haste whatever you want to call it.
    I agree, however the philosophy of our school system is socialization is more important than education.

    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    My younger brother used to get sent to the office often because of this kind of behaviour. There were times, though, where that would result in the teacher getting into trouble afterwards.
    Wow, the teacher would get in trouble? That is amazing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    I was awarded a kind of "special treatment": she kept me away, far to the rear of the classroom, where nobody would disturb me while I was reading dictionaries and encyclopedias, even her. Somehow, we agreed to ignore each other.
    Yes, see this:

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    I explained to her that in previous years my daughter had been encouraged by her teachers to read because it kept her busy while they worked with the children who needed more help.
    This is part of the problem. This teacher, however, wants every child focused on her and appears to loath the perceived preferential treatment given to the kids that have been labeled as "gifted".

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    What age is she?

    I had an art teacher who pretty much couldn't stand me, she hated that I had to go to gifted classes during her art class sometimes. (on the other hand I had a gym teacher that thought it was great)

    It greatly affected my intake of art and how I did in the class. I never did any art after that class. It's ironic that because of that I thought I sucked at art and ended up working in an a digital art field.

    All that to say, I would absolutely schedule a meeting with the principal and her teacher. You sound like you are pretty even and understand that life isn't always perfect. That is important when talking to the principal. I do think it's time, though. When we were having issues with my daughter in school my husband and I both went in to see the principal and teachers (and guidance counselor). I would really suggest if you have a spouse that he comes too. (I'm assuming you are female) The schools see so few men that it really makes a difference if the father is involved.

    I'm surprised you didn't do it earlier in the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubiquitous1 View Post


    This is part of the problem. This teacher, however, wants every child focused on her and appears to loath the perceived preferential treatment given to the kids that have been labeled as "gifted".

    I see.

    As a child, with this kind of teacher a conflict might have quickly escalated.

    Sometimes, letting a kid near his/her book is the best possible therapy. Especially if said kid has trouble focusing elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Fact is, when I was 8 or 9, I had lot of issues with my teacher, and she singled me out most of the time. I was awarded a kind of "special treatment": she kept me away, far to the rear of the classroom, where nobody would disturb me while I was reading dictionaries and encyclopedias, even her. Somehow, we agreed to ignore each other.
    Sounds alot like my situation around the same age. I just wish the other teachers would've agreed to ignore me. :steam:

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    I remember Elewyn Berlekamp, one of the men who laid the foundation for the Medallion Hedge Fund (part of Renaissance Technologies) said that in first grade, when the curriculum was to teach how to add double digit numbers and count to 100, he and his friend would just sit in the back and play dots and boxes.

    Personally, I am all in favor of Talented and Gifted programs. Because guess what? In the real world, there is a hierarchy of who's good, and who isn't. And although it isn't as jarring as in elementary school "these kids are better than you, the rest of the rabble!", it very much is present.

    If I recall correctly, whoever got into these TAG programs (I was one of them) did exceptionally well on the Iowa Tests of basic skills. And frankly, I don't remember much about TAG, aside from the fact that it was a blast.

    For these programs to be abolished because someone's emotions have an ouchy boo boo is something that the parents of the butthurt kid can protest, and when they do, someone will calmly explain, with many euphemisms to them:

    "Your kid was too stupid to be called gifted. Good day."
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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post

    Personally, I am all in favor of Talented and Gifted programs. Because guess what? In the real world, there is a hierarchy of who's good, and who isn't. And although it isn't as jarring as in elementary school "these kids are better than you, the rest of the rabble!", it very much is present.

    If I recall correctly, whoever got into these TAG programs (I was one of them) did exceptionally well on the Iowa Tests of basic skills. And frankly, I don't remember much about TAG, aside from the fact that it was a blast.
    If I recall correctly, you can only be in favor of those programmes because you're a fascist at heart, and they represent a way to propound your eugenic/narcissitic/elitist ideology?

    How could someone that pretends to be as brilliant as you can fall so low and do not see the inner contradictions betwen his assessments?
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