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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    These kind of condescending comments en-fucking-rage me. He's treated unfairly it offends his idealistic ideas about justice and he's actually willing to do something about it. Now I don't approve of his methods or even his pay-back ideas, but I refuse to subscribe to the idea that you should just put your head in the sand and roll over. If an employer treats me in a grossly unfair way persistently, I'm outta there after having spoken my mind. I've confronted "superiors" before and I will continue to do so.

    I too was in a situation where a first-time lecturer screwed me over, not grading according to his handouts etc. etc. he ended up giving me the same weak argument: stuff in the "world out there" isn't fair either. If it's all about the real world and sucking it up and cooperating with other (weaker) people then adjust the way you grade, and don't focus exclusively on the academic stuff. IFJ I think...Fe user in some form, introverted. Horrible at teaching - which I can understand and which is why I cooperated a lot. He also put very little effort into it all, however. The format of the class was very poorly made. I e-mailed him about my grades and gave him a well thought-out negative evaluation (before I knew my grade). He did not teach the course the year after that.

    It's very easy to be all casually jaded about it. A lot of people seem to be. That kind of apathy makes me sad. It's not wrong to care and be actively committed to improvement.
    I think you have your facts wrong, in the bolded part. I am IFJ (infj) and would never ever, ever in a million years out there say something like "suck it up the real world isn't fair either". That's completely not in my nature to say that. So...try retyping him.

    Also, to the thread starter: Why in the world did you sign up for 3 classes with the same damn professor? I'd say drop some of them now and just know better next semester to not do shit like that again, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    The details:
    • OP violated social norms of respecting others' time when asking for advice on a forum by failing to provide enough context with which to respond to their OP
    • OP failed to realize that they failed to do this, and in fact contested the objective of this norm several times when called on it
    • OP failed to realize after dozens of posts that people were taking his "humour" seriously, and failed to communicate effectively that he was exaggerating for us strangers
    • OP attacked character of another person (legitimate action in and of itself)
    • OP failed to support said stance with reasons to support his opinion for several dozen posts


    If an individual is gathering a few facts about the OP, it is that they are either oblivious to or rebellious of social norms. Someone oblivious to or rebellious of social norms is going to either unknowingly or knowingly annoy individuals who value social norms. Like, a professor who just spent 25 years earning his title.

    These actions call into question the OP's ability to accurately perceive situations. If one begins with the belief that an individual has issues with accurately narrating reality, it is logical that the same individual's narration of reality in another instance is flawed.

    There's more reason to question why you had faith in the OP than why others lacked faith in the OP.
    The obsessive pedantry in your posts, is palpable.
    You have serious issues which need to be resolved.

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    You need to swallow this kind of stuff. Everybody has had a "particular" professor in his university experience. If your gpa plummets...well, amen, gpa's not everything in life. You already have your little plan laid out for your life, which is nice, but you will have to deal with many situations like this if you want to start your own company (clients give you money, thus are often quite exacting on what they want you to do): better learn now.

    The grading standards of the college is all equal which mean that if I produce equally good work to someone with a different teacher. That person gets a 9/10 and I get a 5/10
    This happens every day, in every university. Luck is a part of life; you can still transfer if you don't like it.

    By the way, the situation in an employment setting is different. Obviously you can't be trated like crap by an employer...it's against the law.
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    He just sounds like he's a terrible teacher. See, professors don't necessarily take classes to learn how to teach. They just become experts in their field often without ever studying education or pedagogy; this is why the lot of them are wankers, especially new ones. Academia is a little island unto itself. Anyone who has just emerged from the ivory tower of earning a PhD with no real teaching experience or classes in how to actually be a teacher isn't necessarily going to excel at imparting his or her knowledge to others. I was shocked to learn when I got to college that elementary, middle, and high school teachers actually spend more time being educated on how to actually teach students than college professors.

    He's trying too hard. He's an ivory tower wanker. There's nothing you can do about it. Just give him what he wants, jump through his self-congratulatory hoops, and never take his classes again after this semester.

    You're a grown up. Just accept that getting him fired is probably not the most realistic or mature course of action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    Assuming that teaching you classes is his "main" job is your first error and shows that you don't really know much about how college works. This is one reason I (and many others) can't take your posts seriously. The way a University makes a name isn't just by how well the professors teach.

    You mean a passable teacher, not professor. Please look into what this means. Some of the best professors really SUCK at teaching.

    I am not familiar with these subjects, perhaps I'm incorrect, but I would imagine you would want someone who is doing architectural design to be able to follow your instructions. You will not be out in the workforce just "being creative."
    I know how my college works. I've been through a lot in my college. Bad teachers, bad situations, stuck here and there. This helped me learn quite a bit about what's going on. The thing is that I usually find solutions to my problems sometimes going through narrow cracks and underground pathways. Now, this problem has hit me hard and it's like I'm drowning fighting my way to go back to the surface but can't.

    First of all, no one at your university really cares if you aren't getting the grades you want. Second of all, if all the grades are in that range I smell a curve coming on. Have you asked if there is a curve?
    Other students care about their grades too. I'm more concerned with my future possibilities which will be lowered if I don't do well in these subjects. I can work 24/7 and the guy would still give me a 6.

    You need to spend your time doing things that can help your grade, help him transition, help you get a curve. Not spend your time trying to get him fired. You are putting your eggs in the wrong basket.
    Although you are right in that I probably shouldn't be wasting my time firing him. I believe that he deserves to be fired. He has caused too much suffering in all his classes. Not only to me, but to my classmates too. This man gives the possibility of a life changing difference to the worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Right. Creative architecture has first of all to be based on a design brief. Unless you want the whole house of bricks to come tumbling down.

    Creativity, in most subjects.. but architecture most of all.. one must first know what the rules are, before one can break them.
    Architecture is putting creativity in an order. There are no particular rules to how one should do it. If the end result is the same anything goes.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    You need to swallow this kind of stuff. Everybody has had a "particular" professor in his university experience. If your gpa plummets...well, amen, gpa's not everything in life.

    By the way, the situation in an employment setting is different. Obviously you can't be trated like crap by an employer...it's against the law.
    I see him 4 times a week. And he teaches me 3 very important subjects. This is not GPA at this point, it's my future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    He just sounds like he's a terrible teacher. See, professors don't necessarily take classes to learn how to teach. They just become experts in their field often without ever studying education or pedagogy; this is why the lot of them are wankers, especially new ones. Academia is a little island unto itself. Anyone who has just emerged from the ivory tower of earning a PhD with no real teaching experience or classes in how to actually be a teacher isn't necessarily going to excel at imparting his or her knowledge to others. I was shocked to learn when I got to college that elementary, middle, and high school teachers actually spend more time being educated on how to actually teach students than college professors.

    He's trying too hard. He's an ivory tower wanker. There's nothing you can do about it. Just give him what he wants, jump through his self-congratulatory hoops, and never take his classes again after this semester.

    You're a grown up. Just accept that getting him fired is probably not the most realistic or mature course of action.
    I'm not necessarily a practical person. I've done things before.

    Hahaha! Ivory town wanker. Beautiful. Thanks for the post. Lightened me up a bit.

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    well, if a professor has to teach 3 undergrad classes, he's obviously not going to be a well known researcher. Like discovering insights that will be a benefit to the world. Thats what a real professor is supposed to do.

    If a professor isn't smart enough to do that, they should at least be able to teach effectively, fun, get students excited, inspired, etc...

    If they cant' do either of the above, then they sucked some booties to get to where they are.

    Either way, thats the way life is. There's a lot of ppl in life who get where they are bc they suck up and don't provide any real usefulness to the organization or to the world. If u need the grade, u'll do whats asked of you and excel at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    well, if a professor has to teach 3 undergrad classes, he's obviously not going to be a well known researcher. Like discovering insights that will be a benefit to the world. Thats what a real professor is supposed to do.

    If a professor isn't smart enough to do that, they should at least be able to teach effectively, fun, get students excited, inspired, etc...

    If they cant' do either of the above, then they sucked some booties to get to where they are.

    Either way, thats the way life is. There's a lot of ppl in life who get where they are bc they suck up and don't provide any real usefulness to the organization or to the world. If u need the grade, u'll do whats asked of you and excel at it.

    Er, actually...getting a PhD is REALLY HARD. You have to write and be published in order to be a professsor. Then you have to keep publishing to keep your job.

    Professors are not necessarily stupid, but they can certainly lack the skills, personality, or inclination to be good teachers even if they are experts in their field. A new professor is not going to be "a well known researcher." At my college an average professor teaches four undergraduate classes per semester.

    I'm not defending this person at all, but at the same time some perspective would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Er, actually...getting a PhD is REALLY HARD. You have to write and be published in order to be a professsor. Then you have to keep publishing to keep your job.

    Professors are not necessarily stupid, but they can certainly lack the skills, personality, or inclination to be good teachers even if they are experts in their field. A new professor is not going to be "a well known researcher." At my college an average professor teaches four undergraduate classes per semester.

    I'm not defending this person at all, but at the same time some perspective would be nice.
    A lot of professors aren't expected to publish though. If you look at the lower tiered Ivies like Dartmouth without a graduate program, are those kind of professors really expected to publish?

    If you teach a lot of undergrad classes, and not grad, then basically you're expected to teach, and not publish for the most part. Correct?

    You don't have to publish to get a PhD. You just have a write a thesis that helps out your thesis advisors out in their research.

    I think if you believe that the PhD system is set up to promote the best possible researchers and ground breaking thinkers, you are mistaken. Its more geared towards who studies the most and provides the most value to the current faculty. Which aren't necessarily the same thing. I will take it back if it is a math or physics PhD though, but the more geared towards social studies/sciences you go, the more leeway there is for defending current schools of thought/ways things are entrenched.

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    If I were genuinely upset at what I considered an irrational methodology of grading by my professor, I'd definitely not rest until I am comfortable with either an acceptable explanation or resolution. I didn't have any such teachers, but my roommate did have one who sounded similar to yours. I told a professor (in the same field) I knew and trusted well about the situation, and if she could help look into the matter, as the terrible one was new and may perhaps need to get accustomed to the normal expectations of grading.

    Borrowing on some suggestions others may have said:

    Go with a fellow student or two to approach the professor during his office hours, and prepare questions you want answers to, like what his expectations are and why you didn't meet them. If his answers are unacceptable, push him to clarify and question his reasoning with your own arguments. Do not lose your cool; if anything, try to get him to lose his cool, as this is evidence that he is not capable of explaining things calmly and rationally. Do not leave until you are satisfied.
    If he will not talk to you, ask why.
    a. If it's because you're a group, say that you all have the same issue, and that he will be talked to regardless.
    b. If it's because he has no time, tell him he has to make time.
    c. If it's because he doesn't want to explain to you, talk to the dean and/or department chairs. Ask your other professors who are more trustworthy about their suggestions on handling the situation, and how best to get your concern addressed.

    If you feel it necessary (i.e. can't trust the guy to keep his word), use a recording device. Let him know you're using it and start the recording before you even talk. Get whatever he says recorded, which works out great if he refuses to talk to you. If he asks why you're resorting to using such methods, it's because you're concerned for your grade and taking the situation very seriously. Again, don't leave until you're satisfied with either the explanation or the resolution. If negotiating with the professor proves fruitless or impossible, demand that someone higher up mediate a discussion between you (and other students) and the professor, as drastically unfair grades are a concern to the well-being of students and the integrity of the department. You may change your mind about the situation, or you may get what you want. Either way, at least you'll have done what you should.

    I'm guessing that you may be faced with a statement like "well it's already far into the semester and it's too late to change your grades, deal with it", and say that trying to find out what's going on and demanding answers -is- dealing with it.


    That said, you have to be sure in your conviction that your concerns are legitimate, and keep a professional disposition about it. Have good questions and good negotiating skills. Unfortunately we can't help with the formation of those questions since there's little specifics to work with here. Try to see his reasoning, and work with it, and attempt a reconciliation of views.


    But first of all, like someone else said, there may be a curve involved. Find out if this is the case, and if so, that should suffice for you, unless there is obvious favoritism.

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