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    Hap, the answer to this is awesome! Comics! That's right, comics! They may be kinda shit, but religious comics will catch you up to speed in no time, dude they have it all; Murder, bigamy, insanity, super powers and all forms of disasters so it's not as bad as reading say, the life and tales of Sharebear the huggable rainbow care bear. I admit it's not something most people would read willingly but it's better than reading the bible *waits for the lightning strike or Peguy, whatever hits first*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Hap, the answer to this is awesome! Comics! That's right, comics! They may be kinda shit, but religious comics will catch you up to speed in no time, dude they have it all; Murder, bigamy, insanity, super powers and all forms of disasters so it's not as bad as reading say, the life and tales of Sharebear the huggable rainbow care bear. I admit it's not something most people would read willingly but it's better than reading the bible *waits for the lightning strike or Peguy, whatever hits first*
    Oooh!


    I mean I read a lot of ancient religion stuff when I was a kid (Greco-Roman, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, etc whatever) so I do catch a lot more of that stuff than other kids do -- but turning wine into fish or whatever Jesus did? Nope. No idea.

    I mean it's really self-defeating. If you figure that you can't teach it at school you're figuring that people would be offended by it -- and if you're figuring that people would be offended by it, they believe differently than you -- and if they believe differently than you they're not going to get the references that you figure they have to know because they've been going to PSR when they haven't been because that's not what they believe.

    I agree that a Christian majority can no longer be assumed in advanced classes. A fair chunk of my class is Hindu this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    The bible text is available for free online,
    So are physics books. Physicists have opinions too. The problem is that many people think we can't understand religion objectively and logically, like we can Physics. We can.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stutterfly View Post
    As for teaching it in schools.... ahhh, this makes me think of my first Religious Education class when I first started high school at the age of 12. Our teacher told us that everything we learnt in that class would underpin our entire education to come and that girls who don't practise their faith or acknowledge God (the right God, that is) go to hell. Let me tell you, there were tears! Much of my earlier Christian education did feel a lot like "imposing ethical facts by force".
    To some people this might seem a bit extreme and I'm sure many Christians would disagree with teaching faith in this way. But I also don't think many Christians would appreciate their religion being taught as having no real objective truth and being one of many equally right choices (at least the ones I know).
    I guess this is why it really shouldn't be taught in schools, esp. since the ones these days are becoming increasingly multicultural and a Christian majority can't be assumed anymore. Still, studying the text as a text alongside Lit would be helpful
    So there are those who impose christianity by force, and there are those who feel it shouldn't be "taught as having no real objective truth" and neither of those are good for schools so therefore it shouldn't be taught in schools? I think that's a false dichotomy. You can teach the Bible as having objective truth. No one has to believe it. My physics teacher told us there were 22 dimensions. I thought there were 11. I wasn't offended. Plus, telling us we're going to hell isn't necessary to teach a Bible class. That person's obviously got something with them...

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    in thousands and thousands of years from now the bible will be like what greek mythology is today. that's my prediction, and yeah the old testament has some cool stories in it, especially if you're reading it not for some truth but for you're entertainment. I had to study the bible as a literary text senior year of highschool, luckily my teacher knew that not everyone was christian so when we studied the new testament well it didn't matter because we were just studying like any other piece of literature we would if their needed to be background info he'd give it to us. But you don't need to be christian to study the bible as a literary text. Think about we read literature as mostly fiction people read the bible as a sort of non-fiction, when reading the bible as literature you are not trying to find the ultimate truth. Just dissect the same you would with any other book.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovetrannies View Post
    Kids can google the goddamn bible if they need that badly for class. And if kids really need to learn the bible for lit class, than the islamic quran should be taught in history or L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics for psychic class.

    My point is that the bible really that necessary in the school system?! If you think so, then all religions should be taught in school for all subjects that may be discussed in a book students might read.

    If you can't tell, I'm a hardcore athiest, so I think religion should stay the fuck out our school system.
    I can respect the principal of your opinion, but she's talking about being, quote, "handicapped" from not knowing the original sources that so many Western literature pieces refer to. Yes, the Bible is really that necessary to teach Western literature, and no, there aren't comparable "necessities" to knowing alternate religions enough to be taught in every Western high school (speaking of the mandatory classes like English Lit). It's the same for Art History in university--I know atheists who are struggling in their classes and their grades are suffering because they don't know the Bible, it's that intertwined. When they catch that there's something they're missing they ask for help to find the Biblical reference they presume is there, but most of the time they don't even notice that there is a Biblical reference, and then A students are getting Cs because they weren't taught the Bible.

    As I said earlier, I have read The Life of Milarepa/have read the Vedas/etc. and it speaks nothing about my beliefs--I'm just educating myself.
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    You know, I don't know what it is, but I find Christianity and Islam far more offensive and unfair than any other religions I've encountered. I studied Greco-Roman mythology and accompanying astrology without feeling offended. I studied Taoism, Mesopotamian gods, Egyptian gods, etc... all without feeling extremely offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    You know, I don't know what it is, but I find Christianity and Islam far more offensive and unfair than any other religions I've encountered. I studied Greco-Roman mythology and accompanying astrology without feeling offended. I studied Taoism, Mesopotamian gods, Egyptian gods, etc... all without feeling extremely offended.
    I find the heliocentric theory offensive.

    But the geocentric theory isn't so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by run View Post
    I find the heliocentric theory offensive.

    But the geocentric theory isn't so bad.
    You're a Christian, aren't you?

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    I've read excerpts from quite a few different religious texts as parts of various classes (such as mythology, literature, spanish or sociology) and nobody was ever offended by that.

    There's a difference between teaching and preaching... I just generally suspect that most people are too idiotic to pick up on this
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilovetrannies View Post
    Kids can google the goddamn bible if they need that badly for class. And if kids really need to learn the bible for lit class, than the islamic quran should be taught in history or L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics for psychic class.

    My point is that the bible really that necessary in the school system?! If you think so, then all religions should be taught in school for all subjects that may be discussed in a book students might read.

    If you can't tell, I'm a hardcore athiest, so I think religion should stay the fuck out our school system.
    The OP isn't talking about teaching religion as a religion. Rather, the OP doesn't know the stories in the Bible which have had a major influence on Western literature. Can you name any stories from the Qu'ran that have had a major influence on Western literature? If you can, you have a valid point. If not, your post is worthless.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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