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    I'd be fine in the military untill it came down to the killing people bizzo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I couldn't even last in cub scouts for more than a few weeks.
    I was sent along to the Cubs for one day. And a large woman took me aside and told me about the first Cubs who, she said, were Romulus and Remus who were raised by a she-wolf.

    Something told me I was among barbarians and I never went back.

    Still, I liked the uniform and the camping but I couldn't come at the she-wolf.

    So I guess there is a lonely she-wolf out there somewhere still looking for her cub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tewt View Post
    If anything, I learned you can't tell who's going to be able to really take it outside of training. Some of the biggest, strongest, toughest guys who rocked out during training, fell apart in the field.
    Definitely the truth. I saw some real Sergeant Rock types in peacetime completely fall apart in actual combat. Conversely, the weird guy who never really fit in suddenly became a superstar and hero. It's very difficult to tell how people will react until they actually see the elephant. The military tries to inflict as much stress as possible on you during training, to simulate combat environments and forecast how people will react. It works well for some ... maybe half ... but there are still some real wild cards. Very interesting dynamics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    What about the training to charge a machine gun nest against your better judgment because your superior officer thinks its a good idea?

    Also, whoever thinks being an INFP in the military is a good idea should watch the first half of Full Metal Jacket.
    Hmmm ... we were always trained to sit tight and call down artillery and smoke on the machine gun nest, call in an air strike, or let the tanks roll over them. I would hope an officer was creative and intelligent enough to do the same. I do get your point though. At some point you're going to have to do something that screams against every fiber of your being ... whether it be taking a human life or placing your own on the line. No amount of creativity or intelligence will get you out of that one.

    +1 to Full Metal Jacket. Excellent representation of boot camp (as it was back in the day ) and the follies of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post

    Also, whoever thinks being an INFP in the military is a good idea should watch the first half of Full Metal Jacket.


    Garrison sucked donkey wangs, I lived to go on maneuvers or road marches.

    P.S. Infantry is not a good place for INFPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biaxident View Post

    Garrison sucked donkey wangs, I lived to go on maneuvers or road marches.

    P.S. Infantry is not a good place for INFPs.
    Is that you in the avatar? I'll bet you got stuck carrying the heavy machine gun a lot.

    I liked maneuvers a lot better than garrison time too. Finally a chance to practice the craft rather then suffer guard duty and inspections all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nighthawk View Post
    Is that you in the avatar? I'll bet you got stuck carrying the heavy machine gun a lot.

    I liked maneuvers a lot better than garrison time too. Finally a chance to practice the craft rather then suffer guard duty and inspections all the time.
    Yes to both.

    And then we got trained as 11M, one of the first classes. That I enjoyed.

    And now that MOS is gone...LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Worst fit are NTJs since they make entire work. But if it works well alot of people will probably die because of that . (and we don't want that)


    So I say: NTJs are worst fit .
    Funny, I met several INTJ's while around the military [they were in it, I was civilian working there]. I think NTJ's are a pretty good fit personally, especially for high leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biaxident View Post


    Garrison sucked donkey wangs, I lived to go on maneuvers or road marches.

    P.S. Infantry is not a good place for INFPs.
    I'm not sure I even dare to ask, but if you feel like it, feel free to elaborate on what must be like the 10 zillion reasons why infantry is a bad place for INFP's...

    sidenote: i grew up wanting to be an Army Ranger and then Green Beret. I never really reconciled the idea that knowing how to kill people would mean that you'd actually have to do it though, I always had some ?samurai-like? idea that if you just showed that you could, others would see it and back down so you wouldn't actually have to do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    Funny, I met several INTJ's while around the military [they were in it, I was civilian working there]. I think NTJ's are a pretty good fit personally, especially for high leadership.
    I met one ENTJ who was devastating as a military leader. Inspirational, charismatic, great hierarchical organizer, and an excellent grasp of strategy. Wasn't Dwight Eisenhower an ENTJ or INTJ?

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