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    Heart,
    I'm with Luna on this one. It's not that common for people show any sort of indepedence in their interests, let alone comprehension, particulary at high school age. Even into adult hood sometimes.
    I have had people admit to me they've never picked up a book since they left the education system. Some thing I have no comprehension of.
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    the way the system of schooling is built up is based upon what the majority of the populace entering the school are. plus, in scientific circles, logic rules predominantly. i wouldn't consider school systems SJ, i would consider them STJs. S is arguably the less important of these, where as the logic is necessary and the organizational part is pretty much punctual in terms of hours. S only really comes in when NPs or SPs are trying other routes to come through the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    By most definitions (including the school one), it is usually about IQ. Get an outstanding score on the little puzzle things that some kids get in the early elementary years, and you're in. Also, certain types do have higher IQs on average than other ones, but generalizations don't mean that much. I'm sure there are ESFPs with 170 IQs and INTJs with IQs in the 50s.
    I'm an ESFJ with an IQ estimated in the 150s. How alienated do you think I felt in school? I was too smart and bored to enjoy the regimentation, but I didn't relate to the few other gifted students, either.


    The things that are being done to students such in the above examples are terrible, however it should be known that such extremely gifted students are less than 1% of the population.
    Yeah, but some of us are in that <1%. Small numbers of people still count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    The things that are being done to students such in the above examples are terrible, however it should be known that such extremely gifted students are less than 1% of the population.
    Should be more than 1%. Typically considered at least 5% (~2 SDs above norm).

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    5% of about 250 million people is still around 12.5 million people. 12.5 million gifted students? that's enough to occupy a medium small country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    5% of about 250 million people is still around 12.5 million people. 12.5 million gifted students? that's enough to occupy a medium small country.
    About 50 million are school age, about 2.5 million gifted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    Heart,
    I'm with Luna on this one. It's not that common for people show any sort of indepedence in their interests, let alone comprehension, particulary at high school age. Even into adult hood sometimes.
    I have had people admit to me they've never picked up a book since they left the education system. Some thing I have no comprehension of.
    Does being different, not common really equate to "gifted"?

    Does being independent in one's mind really equate to "gifted"?

    I thought gifted was tied to IQ levels and special talents, not interests or what a person actually does with what they have.

    Those seem like too different areas. IQ level is one and then what a person choses to do with the IQ that they have is another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Does being different, not common really equate to "gifted"?

    Does being independent in one's mind really equate to "gifted"?

    I thought gifted was tied to IQ levels and special talents, not interests or what a person actually does with what they have.

    Those seem like too different areas. IQ level is one and then what a person choses to do with the IQ that they have is another.
    You have a point.
    However, those who have independent thought, tend to have higher IQ's.
    Those of independent thought are much more likely not to accept what is presented to them as truth as they tend to dig deeper.
    To be different is to be "gifted."
    Most people agree IQ is not necessarily the greatest indicator of intelligence, but IMHO, independence of the mind is certainly is. It is a rarity in this world.
    I'll dig up some papers when I find them, but when some one is driven by intellectual curiosity to find knowledge above and beyound what is required of them, then if they aren't considered gifted, then they wouldn't fall far from the definition.
    I just reread one of your post, and I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
    Putting aside the issue of indepence of thought, Did you mean there are other explanations, other than being gifted, for why the current school system is a poor fit? Because if that's what you are saying than yes, I have to agree whole heartedly with that sentiment.
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    Gifted Adults
    Characteristics of Gifted Adults
    perfectionistic and sets high standards for self and others
    has strong moral convictions
    is highly sensitive, perceptive or insightful
    fascinated by words or an avid reader
    feels out-of-sync with others
    is very curious
    has an unusual sense of humour
    a good problem solver
    has a vivid and rich imagination
    questions rules or authority
    has unusual ideas or connects seemingly unrelated ideas
    thrives on challenge
    learns new things rapidly
    has a good long-term memory
    feels overwhelmed by many interests and abilities
    is very compassionate
    feels outrage at moral breaches that the rest of the world seems to take for granted
    has passionate, intense feelings
    has a great deal of energy
    can't switch off thinking
    feels driven by creativity
    loves ideas and ardent discussion
    needs periods of contemplation
    searches for ???? in their life
    feels a sense of alienation and loneliness
    is very perceptive
    feels out of step with others
    Not the best link.......actually all my links are making a liar out of me....but in my previous research independence of thought was a defining characteristic of a gifted person.
    I have trouble with the concept too....I only found out I was gifted on the last day of high school. I hadn't been through any special programmes or anything, and I just forgot about it. A friend brought up the possibility last year again when she dropped a paper off about gifted adult experiences, with the words "If you tell me none of this reminds you of you, I'll kick you".
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    Gifted Adults
    Characteristics of Gifted Adults
    perfectionistic and sets high standards for self and others
    has strong moral convictions
    is highly sensitive, perceptive or insightful
    fascinated by words or an avid reader
    feels out-of-sync with others
    is very curious
    has an unusual sense of humour
    a good problem solver
    has a vivid and rich imagination
    questions rules or authority
    has unusual ideas or connects seemingly unrelated ideas
    thrives on challenge
    learns new things rapidly
    has a good long-term memory
    feels overwhelmed by many interests and abilities
    is very compassionate
    feels outrage at moral breaches that the rest of the world seems to take for granted
    has passionate, intense feelings
    has a great deal of energy
    can't switch off thinking
    feels driven by creativity
    loves ideas and ardent discussion
    needs periods of contemplation
    searches for ???? in their life
    feels a sense of alienation and loneliness
    is very perceptive
    feels out of step with others
    Not the best link.......actually all my links are making a liar out of me....but in my previous research independence of thought was a defining characteristic of a gifted person.
    I have trouble with the concept too....I only found out I was gifted on the last day of high school. I hadn't been through any special programmes or anything, and I just forgot about it. A friend brought up the possibility last year again when she dropped a paper off about gifted adult experiences, with the words "If you tell me none of this reminds you of you, I'll kick you".


    I have pretty much of all those, and I had them as a young boy, too.
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