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    Screw that. Personal expression is looked down upon in business because the goals are suppose to come before the people. Also, business attire is like a sports jersey, it creates unity, which is exactly what you want to encourage when taking on large projects. Image counts. Anyone who tells you otherwise isn't in a position to hire people.
    Yes, this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not2bforgot10 View Post
    I'm writing to see what people think of self-expression in professional settings; in particular, the psychotherapy setting.

    I was in class the other day and we were talking about ethics, etc, and some of the students argued that psychotherapists should not have piercings, tattoos, etc.

    I, personally, have pigtails, which I actually think are very cute and they're "me" and I was discouraged by some of the students to wear these.

    I realize that if I have pig tails I may not be taken seriously by some people, but to be honest, I don't care--in the sense that it will not stop me from wearing pig tails. The pig tails are "me;" they're part of what makes me unique, and I will not change that for anyone! I want people to start looking beyond outer appearances and the only way I'm going to do that or make any social change in people's eyes is by starting with myself! If I'm going to be the example then I'm going to stick to it.

    I think that when people change their style they are giving into society's judgmentalness and stereotypes. I think they are letting society get the "best" of them. Why should we have to compromise our individuality? Why not all be authentic in expression? If we all continued to change our appearances/who we are, then we will never really know one another on any real, personal, intimate level.
    I am curious as to hear people's take on this.

    So the question... Should psychotherapists be allowed to exhibit themselves (fashion-wise) however they want?

    (I'm going to dig deep here); I'd like to get to the real core of this. Please, especially INTJ's and those who have difficulty with allowing themselves to be vulnerable, share your vulnerable, beautiful experiences... open your hearts for a second and just let out what's inside.

    Thank you.
    i hate any form of control and i hate being inauthentic but it would absolutely not occur to me to present myself in such an unprofessional manner...i don't wish to sound harsh but really?? pig tails?? save it for your off time...it can't be that big of a deal...and i don't think the message is worth it.

    i think there are other more subtle ways in which to express yourself...a funky blouse under your jacket...some sort of funkier shoe...you just need to find an updated version of your style...one that is more fitting to your professional career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    But I'm sure you know that's bullshit. Now I want to become a corporate leader, just to start hiring ONLY people that show up with holes in their pants. Maybe they spent time doing something more productive rather than trying to see how their dress fits.
    Maybe. Let us know how that goes, and the impression that makes on clients.

    Even if unprofessional dress weren't a problem in itself, it's often symptomatic of a certain attitude that well, doesn't play well with others (in my observation). Not that that's universally bad, but it's often not what you want...
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    Just imagine the untapped value in all the people with bad haircuts out there.

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    Bad hair is a sign of psychosis. Fact.

    FWIW, I don't believe that everyone with, say, pigtails and holey pants would be bad at a given job. And is it possible some of them would be damned good at it? Yes. But for me the point is that in a professional environment one is going to be interacting with people who one does not know very well. I wouldn't want Pigtail Lady working for me because of the assumptions that might be made by clients/co-workers etc. Might those assumptions be wrong? Yes. Would they still hurt business? The chance is too great for me to take it.

    If I had someone working for me for a couple of years who was very competent, I'd be open to a discussion about what to wear/how to look at work. I don't have an inherent problem with pigtails. If they wanted to sport pigtails they would be free to, except in situations where they would be dealing with clients/people from outside the company etc.
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    Man people are so judgemental, I think that's what the OP was getting at, that if those false asumptions are ever going to be broken down then you have to try and start with yourself. Maybe they don't need to be broken down (or can't be), they're too useful as they are?

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    people are judgmental you're right quinlin...and i can appreciate the thoughts behind the op but...to me it's just not a fight i personally would find value in...i just don't place much importance on it...i enjoy dressing up though...so possibly i would feel otherwise if i didn't....but if i were in a professional environment i'd want/ expect the people that worked for me to project a serious polished image...if i were in a creative environment then it wouldn't matter a bit to me...it would just depend on the environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    Man people are so judgemental, I think that's what the OP was getting at, that if those false asumptions are ever going to be broken down then you have to try and start with yourself. Maybe they don't need to be broken down (or can't be), they're too useful as they are?
    I just see it as they can't be broken down. Not easily at least. So you have a choice. You need to choose your battles well.

    Break them and take the hits or...
    Use the social conventions and make them work for you.

    People are judgemental. Society has rules and heuristics they use to size others up. That makes it easy to play the game well. The rules are clearly defined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    People are judgemental.
    Why? Is it too much to ask for merit to be rewarded over appearance (I'm talking in general here)?

    Does being judgemental make life easier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    Why? Is it too much to ask for merit to be rewarded over appearance (I'm talking in general here)?

    Does being judgemental make life easier?
    It's simply too much work to sift through all the data. People look for patterns that fit with their preconceptions. And make judgements from there.

    So it does make life easier. I'm not saying it's a good thing it just is what it is.
    You don't have to follow the rules and often it's fun to break conventions and it sometimes pays off.
    And you can change them if you're willing to pay the price.

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