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    I actually think America is getting a bit of a raw deal in the thread, but I couldn't resist posting this. It's pretty funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I will not going to lie/hide to anyone that there is a stereotype of a dumb American in Europe.

    But what strikes me that by default when someone wants to prove that this stereotype is true they take Geography as a testing ground.

    What I am asking here: Do people in the US trully and totally suck in geography or this simply is not the truth ? Or is it around 50:50?
    We have no problem with geography - however, Geography becomes a pain in the ass when your frikking boarders change every five godam years! The geography of Europe over the last 100+ years is a NIGHTMARE of politcs/warfare/migration mixed into that geography we're supposed to keep up on. Same shit with Russia/eastern europe after the fall of the soviets....

    What incentive do we have to learn fucked up European geography that's going to change again in five years? Maybe for a businessman or entrepeneuer it's useful, but for everyday Americans it'd be like remembering what lottery numbers were the winners from last year....

    You don't see Americans screwing up "where is china?", that's for sure. Yanno why? Cuz the boarders of China haven't changed in like 238905248975 years :P

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    Psh, it's only how many countries you can name (and I think I remember whatever will all kick our asses on that front). Doesn't really demonstrate geography knowledge (where the countries are, geographical features, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    We have no problem with geography - however, Geography becomes a pain in the ass when your frikking boarders change every five godam years! The geography of Europe over the last 100+ years is a NIGHTMARE of politcs/warfare/migration mixed into that geography we're supposed to keep up on. Same shit with Russia/eastern europe after the fall of the soviets....
    That's the fun part! Historical geography is great.

    And that joke map is great, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    England and Wales are legally one jurisdiction. Scotland and Northern Ireland are distinct, but England and Wales are joined. So my country of birth is, technically "England and Wales"

    (I'm not saying it's right, it just is)
    I can assure you there's no such country as England And Wales! On the map you will see they are quite separate:



    Flag of Wales:


    Flag of England:



    Since you're bringing sport into it:

    There is an effective Welsh national cricket team anyway; they call themselves Glamorgan but play not just in that county but all over the country (Wales, that is, not the United Kingdom of Wales and England). The reason that Welsh Cricketers play in the England team is that it is the only chance they will have to play at the highest international level. Ditto Irish and Scottish players who are good enough. This argument is like saying that because an Irishman like Ed Joyce played for England, the Irish republic does not exist

    There is also, more to the point, a Welsh national Football team, Rugby team, and probably quite a lot of other teams, and Wales competes separately to England in the Commonwealth Games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    There's some truth in it, but it's not a unique American problem. I know plenty of people here in the UK who couldn't tell you which coast California, or Florida are on.
    Hmm... Some of them have problems closer to home too

    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post

    It sounds a bit like trying to explain the distinction to certain English people between Wales, Britain and England. I invoke St Jude for support and guidance every time I have to embark on this one. They never seem to end up much the wiser
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    ^ You tell 'im Rags. Bloody English!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    I can assure you there's no such country as England And Wales! On the map you will see they are quite separate:



    Flag of Wales:


    Flag of England:



    Since you're bringing sport into it:

    There is an effective Welsh national cricket team anyway; they call themselves Glamorgan but play not just in that county but all over the country (Wales, that is, not the United Kingdom of Wales and England). The reason that Welsh Cricketers play in the England team is that it is the only chance they will have to play at the highest international level. Ditto Irish and Scottish players who are good enough. This argument is like saying that because an Irishman like Ed Joyce played for England, the Irish republic does not exist

    There is also, more to the point, a Welsh national Football team, Rugby team, and probably quite a lot of other teams, and Wales competes separately to England in the Commonwealth Games.



    Hmm... Some of them have problems closer to home too



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    I love Wales, and it has its own identity. I like Scotland too, for that matter. I also said it wasn't "right" that England and Wales were one legal jurisdiction.. I was actually pointing out how odd it is that I was born in "England and Wales".

    By the way, I don't think you are right about Cricket.. I'm pretty sure it is the England and Wales team, and that it is different with Ed Joyce (he had to qualify like Pietersen, or a scot would). Welsh and English both qualify automatically. That's why I gave the example (as opposed to other sports where they are separate). it's a weird and historic mess.

    Under international law England and Wales are recognised as one country. Weird, eh. (wikipedia is quite interesting for a summary on "England and Wales")

    I think it should be changed, if that is what the people want (the Union is kinda outdated).

    So, apologies if my explaining the legal position came across as English supremacy, I was just explaining the facts as I understand them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    So, apologies if my explaining the legal position came across as English supremacy, I was just explaining the facts as I understand them.
    Nope, just common or garden English arrogance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Nope, just common or garden English arrogance.
    Well, then, you both have my unreserved apology. I think it's odd that I am English and Welsh, when I should be just English.. just as Rag would rather be just Welsh!

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    <--- went to the state geography bee 4 times in a row as a child and was a finalist

    Some Americans suck at geography majorly (like some I know who think that Chicago is in Michigan because it's north of Indy!), some are ok at it and others are quite good. Same as any other country. The problem is that we keep attacking countries that the sucky and ok people aren't sure of the location of and it ends up in the news!

    I've met people from other countries who got Russia and Canada mixed up on a globe, so I'm pretty sure that idiocy knows no borders.

    Plus- Falc has a point. It's a lot easier for Europeans to go to other countries and such than for most Americans- the US is HUGE and as far as geographical features and such go we don't really have to leave the country to see a good variety!
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