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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    What other options are there, ygolo.

    Well, you see, I need a decent english mark in order to get into universitry.
    But other than that , putting effort into english is useless.

    My math mark is already excel enough to get a entrance.

    I do not want to study English just for the sake of getting into university. Because if i fail , all the five years of studying english would be wasted. There are no practical use for it in the real world. So i see no reason to invest effort into english other than getting an enterance ticket into university.

    And I really want to learn something that can help me lifelong, rather than doing it jyust to satisfy the education system.
    The main thing I am suggesting is to start with the end in mind. Forget about Math or Writing for a bit, and pick out what you would like to do in the end. There could be mutiple choices, no need to set things in stone. After you decide what you want to do in the end, which courses you need to take will become self-evident. In general, you will have an easier time finding jobs, if your schooling is targeted at particular jobs.

    From your prior posts, it seems like you want to go into Science or Engineering. Engineering pays more in general (unless you decide to go into Medicine or a related field, like Biochemistry, or Biophysics, which you cannot really do in 5 years).

    Also, knowing more about your situation would help. In five years, to not have any other options other than Math, English, and Mandarin seems a bit extreme. There will be Science, Engineering, Communications, Public Speaking, etc., no? In addition, framing the problem as HAVING to chose one also seems a bit extreme. You will need all three of Math, English, and Mandarin in the real world (assuming you are staying in China). It would really help to know what sparked your original question.

    To be perfectly honest, untypable, relying on China becoming enough of a power in your life-time to make English obsolete is a bit much. English has been established as one of the chief languages of Science by two empires (the British and the American).

    Learning to write well is important. As you mentioned, some amount will be needed to get into university, hold particular positions at your job, etc. We all have to do things we don't like just to get through a few requirements.

    Depending on where you work, and what type of job you have will determine how well you need to write in English or Mandarin.

    Choosing Science, or Business over Engineering will generally require better writing skills. Engineers at lower levels don't necessarily need to be good writers. However, at higher levels in the job, writing is a must. If your company is international, English will likely still be a major language of correspondence.

    When it comes to Mathematics, like nightning said, the most practical thing to study is Statistics, and often Statistics is its own separate department because of this.

    Beyond all this, even if you get a high paying job, what important is that you like what you do, that you like your coworkers and employers, and that you are appreciated as an individual (trust me on this). So ultimately, you ought to do what you like. From what you've posted, English writing isn't your strong suit, and you don't seem to like it...so do only enough of it to get by, or learn to like it. You will likely need some amount of it for life.

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    In response to the title of this thread, I take issue with the term "real world".
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    Hmm....I see thanks for the response.

    But i seriously suck at english.

    What do you wish to know about my situation, ygolo?

    For now, I lack a high enough english qualification to get into unviersity.
    And I do not know whether I shold go to university, because I heard from many people that alot of things they learned there are too theortical for the real world.

    And I am having doubts about the power of knowledge and books because alot of them seemed unusable in the real world. I really want to learn something rather doing it for the sake of satisfying the education system.
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    It depends on the profession,
    Overall, I would say writing wins by a slight margin, mostly because writing is more popular than math for the common man.
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    We can think about this in the economic perspective? Who makes more money, a mathematician or a writer?
    what information is more expensive in this world and has more applications?
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Writing. Quite a few of my colleagues seem to be able to get by just fine with minimal maths. (they can add numbers but anything else seems to be beyond them)
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    Going to a university means going into research.

    If you want just the practical real world stuff, go to a college.

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    A lot of logical people are good at math, however there are many mathematicians that don't prove very logical, and because logic is a quite useful tool in the world, I don't see how math skills could somehow advance this. If you suck at math you are no match for math, and the same goes for writing. However writing is definitely more useful to the average person. Most math is for computers to do, and high math is reserved for those who can perceive it, like great composers or philosophers. Writing is more persuasive especially in the sense that it can get the job done without making a lick of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjur View Post
    Going to a university means going into research.

    If you want just the practical real world stuff, go to a college.
    In many places there is no such distinction (in my country there isn't, for example).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueberry LaLa View Post
    I'm on Team Math for this one.

    First you get the maths, then you get the money, then you get the power.

    Call me a bitter ex-journo, but it's been my experience that almost no one -- NO ONE -- knows where to put apostrophes or how to spell correctly or how to write coherently -- and no one cares. I don't think writing is as valued as society as it should be -- sad!

    But a typo or a poorly written paragraph probably won't bring down a company, where a math error could.
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