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    Hahaha 'suck so vigorously'. I've had 2 or 3 English teachers in high school. I wouldn't say they sucked, but they were all pretty weird. English teachers are pretty funny people Anyway, English was one of my better subjects, so I never have any real hard feelings to teachers who give me good marks, heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Like, sucking so much that they create in inescapable vacuum of s***iness which would only result in a catastrophic singularity of b**** shit to engulf the entire world and reduce us all to being subject to their mentally unstable, lunatic, horrible f'tastic teaching methods (teaching how being an old dried up b**** actually has some value to you and society) in the dimension of s***iness that they then create, existing entirely within their own ego-maniacal minds.

    Seriously, why? Why is every English teacher I've EVER encountered a weird, bitchy, crazy, angry, off the handle, marbles missing, vindictive, egotistical, liberal, old, pruney woman? I just don't understand. Why are they all like this!? Surely there must be a decent person teaching this freaking subject SOMEWHERE!
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    haha, I so share the view of the OP, and I have a great story behind the fascist, intolerant nature of some English teachers, EVEN at the University level:

    This one English Professor for Comp 1 had us do one of our writing projects on Wal-mart. We had to find evidence either supporting or defending what wal-mart does for the economy and for the country as a whole. She made it evident, early on, her opinion: Wal-mart is a satanic scourge on this country because it pays ppl nothing, kills competition and destroys local culture and we are better off shopping at garage sales and flea markets (lol, go figure that one, huh)

    I, of course, didn't like this. Not just because I think Walmart is good for the poor and middle class, but also because I don't like being told how to think or feel about something. So I went out of my way to find 3 economists that said walmart was good more or less (this was hard to do as it was the peak of anti-walmart sentiments). I even quoted one Ivy league economist as saying that wal-mart "single-handedly prevented a recession" during 2 fiscal quarters of the previous two years.

    At the end of the project we got our papers back with our grades and we were discussing what we learned about Wal-mart. She said it was abundnatly clear that wal-mart was "only bad and we shouldn't shop there if there's an alternative" and there was NO evidence found that wal-mart does anyone any good. I had received a B+ for that paper but because I feared she would fail me if I disagreed with her inconquerable anti-walmart Zeal, I didn't speak up, because by GOD i didn't want to be stuck with her or anyone like her as my instructor again.


    Now I know ALL english majors aren't like this, but I have yet to run across anyone in the academic world that was as narrow-minded and pig-headed as she was. The rest of the English Department professors at USF didn't seem much more enligthened, either, so I kind of share the sentiments of the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Like, sucking so much that they create in inescapable vacuum of s***iness which would only result in a catastrophic singularity of b**** shit to engulf the entire world and reduce us all to being subject to their mentally unstable, lunatic, horrible f'tastic teaching methods (teaching how being an old dried up b**** actually has some value to you and society) in the dimension of s***iness that they then create, existing entirely within their own ego-maniacal minds.

    Seriously, why? Why is every English teacher I've EVER encountered a weird, bitchy, crazy, angry, off the handle, marbles missing, vindictive, egotistical, liberal, old, pruney woman? I just don't understand. Why are they all like this!? Surely there must be a decent person teaching this freaking subject SOMEWHERE!
    Because they're still trying to figure out what, exactly, to do with their BA in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I'd say it's because of the perspective the particular combination of your experiences and personality traits have given you regarding them. This doesn't have anything to do with the nature of English teachers, but rather the nature of what English teachers evoke in you that you are reacting to.

    In other words, English teachers seem to suck to you, because they tend to bring out or represent an aspect of yourself that sucks. In this case, I would guess it's your lack of language skills and difficulties with grammar.
    Or I have a better idea... maybe it's just that I've only encountered ever increasing numbers of crummy English teachers, and I have never gotten a bad grade due to poor grammar, punctuation, or spelling. In fact, I'm quite confident that I would outscore you in ANY devised English test... if I only cared enough to do so.

    And for you current and would be English teachers out there on the forum; if you take offense to what I've said, then I suggest that you try your hardest to not fall into the stereotypical "Despicable Teachers Guild", and also that you instruct your colleagues do the same. I'm sure there a number of fine English teachers out there, but as I said, I only seem to come across them under a blue moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    haha, I so share the view of the OP, and I have a great story behind the fascist, intolerant nature of some English teachers, EVEN at the University level:

    This one English Professor for Comp 1 had us do one of our writing projects on Wal-mart. We had to find evidence either supporting or defending what wal-mart does for the economy and for the country as a whole. She made it evident, early on, her opinion: Wal-mart is a satanic scourge on this country because it pays ppl nothing, kills competition and destroys local culture and we are better off shopping at garage sales and flea markets (lol, go figure that one, huh)

    I, of course, didn't like this. Not just because I think Walmart is good for the poor and middle class, but also because I don't like being told how to think or feel about something. So I went out of my way to find 3 economists that said walmart was good more or less (this was hard to do as it was the peak of anti-walmart sentiments). I even quoted one Ivy league economist as saying that wal-mart "single-handedly prevented a recession" during 2 fiscal quarters of the previous two years.

    At the end of the project we got our papers back with our grades and we were discussing what we learned about Wal-mart. She said it was abundnatly clear that wal-mart was "only bad and we shouldn't shop there if there's an alternative" and there was NO evidence found that wal-mart does anyone any good. I had received a B+ for that paper but because I feared she would fail me if I disagreed with her inconquerable anti-walmart Zeal, I didn't speak up, because by GOD i didn't want to be stuck with her or anyone like her as my instructor again.


    Now I know ALL english majors aren't like this, but I have yet to run across anyone in the academic world that was as narrow-minded and pig-headed as she was. The rest of the English Department professors at USF didn't seem much more enligthened, either, so I kind of share the sentiments of the OP.
    This is very telling of the way so many in academia tend to be just as rigidly dogmatic in their beliefs as the very far right groups they exist almost solely to condemn.

    I find that, consistently, the most intelligent people are economic moderates who take each issue on a case by case basis. (Every time I come home, and inevitably discuss politics, I gain more and more respect for my brilliant INTJ father.) But my ESTJ sister is an extremely liberal English grad student, and I find myself utterly unable to discuss any politics or economics with her, because her answer is almost invariably: "You're not a SOCIALIST? IDIOT."

    As for social issues, the far left isn't as socially liberal as they'd have you believe--they're socially liberal insofar as they stand against the far right's social views, but try to challenge one of THEIR precious social policy babies and they'll flip the fuck out even worse than their far right enemies. It's actually kind of comical, once you get over how sad it is.

    Worse yet, I'm a college dropout, so I'm not qualified to discuss anything intelligently (apparently.) Every time I start to get close to backing her into a logical corner, I just run into the same tired rhetoric about how "Well the people who are writing these ideas have DOCTORATES and OTHER FANCY PIECES OF PAPER STATING CLEARLY THAT THEY ARE SMART, how could they possibly be wrong about this???" (Note the cute parallels between this sentiment and, "Well the Bible obviously says it, so it has to be true!" from the far righters. tee hee)

    I don't care what qualifications you have; if you can't objectively present a compelling rational argument for why I should believe you, I'm not going to.

    They have a nasty habit of getting way too offended, even more than the far right, if anyone pokes fun at them or questions their methodology. "Our cause is too IMPORTANT to be made fun of; we're busy LIBERATING THE WORLD FROM THE EVILS OF CAPITALISM!"

    For instance, we tried to have a discussion the other day about use of the word "gay" in a negative context, and I tried to make a rational argument that this word in and of itself is not negative, but only becomes negative when used in an intentionally demeaning context. (In my experience, it has developed an entirely new meaning totally independent of homosexuality in general, and most of the kids who say it these days have no homophobic tendencies or intention of slighting homosexuals.) But NOOOOOO, hyper-liberal sister wouldn't have any of that, you fucking blatant homophobe! THAT WORD HAS GOTTEN PEOPLE KILLED BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH!

    No, words don't get people killed; bigotry does. There are no combinations of syllables that are inherently offensive without being given social or cultural context. Leave it to the SJ to utterly ignore context and the bigger picture in favor of an obnoxiously indignant present-moment emotional crusade. The funniest part is that she thinks she's "sticking it to the man" by fighting back against those rigidly dogmatic far-righters, but never really picks up on the fact that she's doing the same damn shit.

    In short, devoting your life unquestioningly to the far left is no better than devoting your life unquestioningly to the far right; the only difference is trading a big, dumb elephant for a total jackass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Or I have a better idea... maybe it's just that I've only encountered ever increasing numbers of crummy English teachers, and I have never gotten a bad grade due to poor grammar, punctuation, or spelling. In fact, I'm quite confident that I would outscore you in ANY devised English test... if I only cared enough to do so.
    Yeah, really. An English teacher in college showed us an old "A" paper, and it was chocked fuckin' full of usage errors. I thought I was gonna throw up.

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    I remember only one English teacher who was a problem. Once she was giving a guy in my class a hard time and I chuckled softly. She asked what was so funny. I said "I'm reminiscing," which made the class laugh.

    I had a Shakespeare teacher in high school who was adored, in spite of the fact that she was a weird, old woman who asserted she was a "virgin by choice, not by chance."
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    I hated English classes with a passion. I particularly despised the cunt I had for a teacher during 10th grade. For a long time I harbored a deep seated contempt for anything related to literature and poetry because of English teachers.

    It was only when I finally didn't have this shit shoved down my throat did I actually appreciate the great worth of writers and poets. They're among the people I admire most, in spite of my general disdain for fiction.

    I could also get into my English Comp professor who first complained my essays were too broad in scope, but then afterwards kept complaining about them being too narrow in scope. Well make up your fucking mind bitch!

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    UGHHHH. I definitely clash with the anal, your-paper-must-be-structured-like-this English teachers. My freshman teacher had us do a Dante's Inferno project... we had to make our own hell... and I didn't realize that everyone was making light-hearted projects like "Barbie Hell". Anyway, I had this dark, slightly creepy project that went into a little too much detail... and she thought I was some sort of creep for the rest of the year. We also had to write an essay about ourselves, so I wrote about
    why I think honors homework is a waste of time and the school's way of demonstrating its desire to control our lives and make us conform to boring normalcy.... I then went on to explain what I thought my time should be spent on... she didn't like it, so she sent me to the counseling office.

    The one I had my junior year would start to scream at us for no apparent reason and once made us sit in the room with the lights off and our foreheads on our desks... ummm, no one talked in that class... she was too f'ing scary-psycho, but she still ranted on and on about how disrespectful and obnoxious we all were.

    Sophomore year: This one would talk to her dead husband in class... in the spring she would sprint across the quad in her trench coat and plastic hood "to escape the pollen"... she kept the hood and sunglasses on in the classroom...and she called us "her little chicks"..."My little chicks better not be talking during a quiz!" Our TA was also always drunk... and she had no idea. I could go on forever... there's a Facebook group dedicated to nothing but this teacher's psychosis.

    The only English teachers/professors I ever really liked were my socialist English professor in Marin and my senior English teacher who was very blunt, a little cold, but extremely insightful. I'm not a socialist, but my socialist professor gave grades based on creativity and ideas vs. how well we canned an essay into intro, body, conclusion. I tend to go on tangents and forget to tie the theoretical back to facts (it seems so redundant), so it was an easy semester. He also kept the few of us he liked after class so that he could show us his political videos/books and scheme... if you faked an argument for one of his causes... you could do no wrong. I wasn't very talkative during those meetings and thought he was a little nuts, but he was an interesting guy. I don't know how to describe the high school teacher outside of the definition I gave earlier. I remember putting her on the good list when she told the annoying girl who would ramble on about nothing, "OK... You're going to shut the fuck up so we can discuss something that is actually relevant to Frankenstein."

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