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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    I think you are correct in that. I've seen a political agenda at work in higher education.

    I still see an opportunity to learn through teachers who aren't pushing their personal issues.

    Not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I've noticed, having been a member of the counter-culture generation, that the best way to influence an established institution is from within rather than rejecting it from without.

    Certainly not every teacher fits your description.
    No, but most do in my experience. That's more of a political problem though, as it spreads doctrines which aren't necessarily true.

    My real problem is with the almost entirely subjective judging of English instructors. I think the system should be overhauled so that what's said doesn't matter, only structure does.

    As I've mentioned before (Maybe in this thread), It's a very painful experience for me to dumb myself down to get a good grade when I'd rather write something the teacher wouldn't even understand.

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    I understand now what you are saying.

    And yes, I agree, that subject matter shouldn't count as much as technique. However, given the nature of youthful students these days, I can see a mature teaching getting tired of slogging through papers which attempt to convince him that any chosen piece of current social nonsense is important. Perhaps they DON'T want to hear what a student has to say if its something they aren't interested in. Could it be?

    College freshmen love to shock (disengenuously.) Seems they also hate to bend themselves to structure. A true learner will eventually get into a place where he can "follow the rules" while still learning how to think for himself. Good teachers recognize this and can help in the process.

    Good writing requires self-discipline and self-discipline is best reinforced, in my opinion, by being first applied by someone else. There's entirely too much self-centeredness in our current youth. And a desire to have it one's own way or mope about bored and disillusioned. They say things like, "This is dumb." and miss what is being offered.

    Yes, I guess the question would be, "Why bother to pay someone to teach you if you are going to reject their information because of their particular quirks?" There is a way to remain openminded about their thit and still learn. And it's a useful thing to learn. Good way to learn it.

    Actually, the most rigid teachers I've had, as far as doctrine goes, have been in the Feminist classes. Some of what I "learned" was pretty horrendous. But it seems to me that that would be the nature of the beast. I went, listened and figured out what information I needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    Actually my question was specifically related to Orangey's post, which I quoted. Taking it out of context ruins the point. Of course politics is objectively related to literature but what she was talking about was subjective politics in a department relating to previous works of art, which I find downright silly.
    My post wasn't based on my opinion. It is based on the fact that literary theories are extremely political in the methods many prescribe for interpreting texts (e.g., deconstruction, feminist literary criticism, anything to do with Lacan, the list is endless) and if you've ever actually taken a university level literature course beyond the introductory requirements, you'd know this. So despite how "silly" you may find it, it is a fact.

    My point was that, if you are already predisposed to disagree with the basic assumptions upon which those types of theories rest, and which the instructor is most likely sympathetic to (otherwise they wouldn't be teaching it), then you're not going to have a very high opinion of the subject matter. And many of those theories rest on assumptions that people here would probably label as "extremely liberal/socialist/Marxist (literally)/communist." Personally, having studied rhetoric, I am sick of that type of theory. Luckily, my field has other branches that are often unrelated to that stuff, so I'm not stuck with it like I would be if I studied English proper.

    But literary interpretation is basically all about applying new, politically inspired theories to old texts.
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    Interesting post, Orangey.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Seriously, why? Why is every English teacher I've EVER encountered a weird, bitchy, crazy, angry, off the handle, marbles missing, vindictive, egotistical, liberal, old, pruney woman? I just don't understand. Why are they all like this!?
    Because they're well read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post

    Seriously, why? Why is every English teacher I've EVER encountered a weird, bitchy, crazy, angry, off the handle, marbles missing, vindictive, egotistical, liberal, old, pruney woman? I just don't understand. Why are they all like this!? Surely there must be a decent person teaching this freaking subject SOMEWHERE!

    Because they're teaching a stupid subject to stupid, arrogant, out-of-control, pissed-off, uninterested, immature, obnoxious little punks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Because they're teaching a stupid subject to stupid, arrogant, out-of-control, pissed-off, uninterested, immature, obnoxious little punks?
    English is not a stupid subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    English is not a stupid subject.
    Meh. I was just being a wise-ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Meh. I was just being a wise-ass.
    I wasn't disagreeing with you're whole sentence, just the part about English being a stupid subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    I wasn't disagreeing with you're whole sentence, just the part about English being a stupid subject.
    ahh.. I was still being a wise-ass.
    I do think that being an English teacher would be an awful job to have though.

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