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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorick View Post
    There's always law school. Join us. It's a way to put off the "real world" for three more years. (I was an English major too)
    Please...there are cheaper ways to do that than going to law school (that last longer than three years, too) .
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    I still think having to explain yourself to someone sucks, but here's what I tell my freshman comp students. No matter what major you choose, and no matter what company you work for, you'll still be expected to organize your thoughts well. You'll be expected to back up your assertions with credible evidence, and present it in such a way that your audience can follow you, and hopefully, agree with you. You can know all the facts, but if you can't present it in an organized and interesting way, your knowledge is fairly useless. And if you can't speak well, people will be much less likely to take you seriously in the first place. All of these things are covered in an English writing class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    There's always Garrison Keillor... I really should get a P.O.E.M. shirt...
    Did you hear the episode where Garrison as the English Major corrected the convenience store robber's grammar? "That would be 'whom', not 'who.....'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    In a rather typical NF fashion I majored in English because I like to read and write. An ST friend just made a sarcastic comment about the stupidity of English essays, saying "When you're done, what good is it?" He didn't buy my line about critical thinking or about providing insights into human nature that build leadership and even marketing skills...

    Anyone else had success explaining "fluff" majors to STs???
    I would have unloaded on that guy. I have a degree in English and Philosophy. It has made every difference in the world for me. First of all, I did not go to college just so I could lace up my shoes for the rat race. I wanted the polish and urbanity that comes with a liberal arts education. I want to learn about our human world, the humanities. The humanities have always been the keystone of education.

    Most leaders of men do not major in engineering or mathematics or biology. Engineering has nothing to say about human relationships, history, or the story of our race. I can go to any business and communicate anything I need to intelligently. You would be surprised how rare this is. Communication is everything. And yes, it is probably unsurprising that I am in marketing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    I would have unloaded on that guy. I have a degree in English and Philosophy. It has made every difference in the world for me. First of all, I did not go to college just so I could lace up my shoes for the rat race. I wanted the polish and urbanity that comes with a liberal arts education. I want to learn about our human world, the humanities. The humanities have always been the keystone of education.

    Most leaders of men do not major in engineering or mathematics or biology. Engineering has nothing to say about human relationships, history, or the story of our race. I can go to any business and communicate anything I need to intelligently. You would be surprised how rare this is. Communication is everything. And yes, it is probably unsurprising that I am in marketing.
    im going to both agree and disagree with you:

    leaders of men: business week did an article a fews years ago asking CEOs what they thought the best major was for a future CEO. The results were surprisingly pretty similar among who they asked.
    1.engineering
    2.economics
    3.then business


    I will however say that the best repsonse to that person is to point out the fallacy of believing that everyone should only major in career minded majors.

    so would you prefer the entire school only major in business, biology (for MD), econ (business or law), poli sci (law), computer sci and engineering? Companies benefit from having differently trained individuals. Having an entire workforce only trained in a couple of majors can create blind spots.

    If he simply responds that, "yes, we should only have those 5 majors," then he's not worth you're time to argue further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edcoaching View Post
    In a rather typical NF fashion I majored in English because I like to read and write. An ST friend just made a sarcastic comment about the stupidity of English essays, saying "When you're done, what good is it?" He didn't buy my line about critical thinking or about providing insights into human nature that build leadership and even marketing skills...

    Anyone else had success explaining "fluff" majors to STs???
    I would have to hear all of his accusations against you to make proper rebuttals, but here is what comes to mind so far:

    1) Writing is one of the fundamental ingredients for a prospering culture/society. English majors are people who value this importance, and maintain the integrity of the written language that plays such an important role in our modern life. Humans as a species don't live lives based purely on instincts. We rely on the structures that those who have come before us built. Literature is how we keep record of those structures, through both fictional and non-fictional texts.

    2) Essays prove to the teacher that you are capable of taking the information taught in the class and communicate it back onto paper. One of the most important qualities ALL types of employers value in employees is writing skills.

    3) Written language can be one of the most important mediums when it comes to personal expression of one's thoughts or beliefs; some things are better communicated in stories rather than spoken word. In fact, philosophy and fiction compliment one another. I can learn more about human nature from Man's Search for Meaning or Mrs. Dalloway than a conversation with a disgruntled ST.
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    The wisdom of this thread is rising to the point of spurring on an essay. I think I need to save a list of each point made. Thanks to all! And really solid points, Wedekit
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    I saw an article today that mentioned some facts about salaries for liberal arts degrees.

    Can You Learn What You Love and Still Make Money
    A recent survey by Payscale Inc. found some good news for bachelor's degree graduates in the liberal arts. High starting salaries can be found among a number of broad-based liberal arts degrees. Here are a few bachelor's degrees that pay you back:

    Starting Salaries
    History: $39,200
    Communications: $38,100
    English: $38,000
    Sociology: $36,500
    Your salary could see a lot of growth as your career continues. Liberal arts graduates also reported higher salaries about ten years after commencement. Check out the mid-career salaries of popular liberal arts degrees:

    Mid-Career Salaries
    History: $71,000
    Communications: $70,000
    English: $64,700
    Sociology: $58,200
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