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Originally Posted by Ivy
Can we leave aside the PC strawman for this discussion? IMO it's a meaningless term. What you're classifying as PC, I see as fair. We are all flawed (in fact, our strengths ARE our flaws, and vice versa). When an N responds to another N who makes disparaging comments towards Ss with a criticism of Ns, it's basically a way of saying "well, your shit doesn't exactly smell like roses, buddy."
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I agree.
A couple months ago, I think the message board was pretty consistently disparaging about Sensors. It was very N-centered overall: Lots of Ns were patting themselves on the back about their ability to think circles around the poor dimwitted Sensors. Proteanmix complained that the prevailing atmosphere was going to make impossible to every attract Sensors as members. In my message that Santtu quoted, I agreed with Proteanmix that the board was obviously anti-Sensor. To put things a little more back in balance, I pointed out that the Sensor point of view has important things to offer the world too, and meanwhile iNtuition isn't necessarily the font of all wisdom as iNtuitives sometimes like to think.
Today it's a couple months later, and a lot of the S-bashing has disappeared. We have some good active Sensor members, and they are making some really good contributions, posing some good questions, and opening themselves up for questions in return. In this more balanced atmosphere, my post may indeed read like a "self-beating N in motion" as Santtu labeled it. But that takes my post out of context. When I posted my message two months ago, the context was that Sensors were being excessively disparaged all over the message board. Re-read the quote from Proteanmix at the start of my post.
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Originally Posted by ygolo
What I mean by PC is issue avoidance, and/or marginalization of genuine feeling for the sake of some other agenda (call it being "fair", but "fair" is difficult to define).
It is not a straw man, but the heart of the issue. Perhaps, there is some history, from INTPc, or Intuitive central, that I am unaware of, but this forum does wreak of "issue avoidance" (I won't use PC since you don't like that term).
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I think you're missing the point. The point is that we
were dealing with the issues. Two months ago, the issue was that Sensors were being excessively and thoughtlessly disparaged all over the message board. So some of us stepped up to the plate and tried to restore a little more balance.
It doesn't mean that the issue is closed. Discussions about the differences between N and S seem inevitable and even natural on an MBTI-oriented board. But you're turning things on their head if you are implying that my post was about stifling discussion and avoiding issues. On the contrary. At the time it was part of an active flurry of discussions, and it was an attempt to address a sticky and troublesome issue head-on.