[Santtu]

Originally Posted by Ivy

I don't think I've ever seen anyone here say that N theories are useless. Can you link me to any posts that say this?

I just browsed thru so many posts that my head is aching.. mostly of N's beated into thinking they're inferior. Few S have made strong arguments against the N-type theorizing while appearing as S themselves, so data on that is kind of thin.

Ss beating Ns and Ns beating themselves..

Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer

Intuitives are isolated from reality but don't see it as an unhealthy way of life.

Originally Posted by ptgatsby

1) For every good theory that NTs seem to come up with, you have to wade through hundreds of crack brains ideas and concepts.

On INTs:

Originally Posted by Shimpei

1. over-theorizing and over-analysing instead of making decisions and act upon them
2. basically no or little practicality

Originally Posted by ptgatsby

..a perfect example of how Ns are inferior to Ss. Over application of dreamy systems that drift away from the fundamental theories and applications.

Views about Ns by Ss outside these boards:

Originally Posted by heart

My MIL's answer to being introduced to the idea of N verses S was to ask "So what can they do to fix these N types?"

Originally Posted by rivercrow

Recommended anti-N reading

Originally Posted by proteanmix

Here's real insight to the dynamics of this war. What are the root causes?

Originally Posted by heart

S types most often complain about how N types act and think and tell them their way is wrong and that they need to change.

N types most often on these boards complain about S types complaining about them and the S types attempting to be controlling in this way and the S types lack of interest in trying to understand the N type.

Yet when the N types do that, they are told they are being too much like the things they don't like about S types. So N types must accept without complaint the complaints that S types send their way or else they are just as bad?

I think that N types express a great desire to understand the S types and these boards are full of that if one actually wants to see that side of things insead of just focusing on the frustrations and vents. Speaking for myself however, I admit that I get mighty weary of always in my offline life being the one who makes allowances for S types and trying to understand their POV. It seems like it is that way. The ones I know have zero desire to make allowances for my POV, to them when I show my real self I am most often just a silly dreamer who has a warped view on things.

I admit I have some really extreme cookie cutter versions of S in my life and it is unfortunate for me that I am way over on the N scale, which in my deepest mind I do see as a sort of disadvantage in dealing with other people and I am working on trying to develop my S traits more fully.

Self-beating N in motion

Originally Posted by FineLine

Meantime, I also keep in mind that (in my experience) Ss tend to have a lot of disdain for ditzy, schizy, whiny, N dilettantes. From the Sensor point of view, Ss are the sober, experienced adults, while Ns are the idealistic starry-eyed teenagers of the world.

What hope of improvement we can maintain

Originally Posted by FineLine

On the positive side, some Ss continue to post over here, perhaps to broaden their own horizons and learn about Ns, and perhaps to remind Ns that a real world exists out there and recount some first-hand experience to help Ns bring their theories back down to earth and anchor them in reality. And in the meantime by participating on a mixed-type message board Ns presumably indicate that they are open to opposing views, at least in theory.

Originally Posted by FineLine

If the quantity of Ss ever reaches critical mass, we'll probably see more name-calling rather than less. As I said above, in my experience Ss tend to have a lot of disdain for ditzy, schizy, whiny N dilettantes. It doesn't always come out as irritation; sometimes Ss feel positively paternal and protective toward the loopy, occasionally-brilliant, occasionally-vulnerable Ns. But inevitably there is going to be irritation and defensiveness, and frictions on the message board are going to lead to abuse of stereotypes and some fireworks at times.

Hopefully in the long run everyone can remember that this is a mixed-type message board, understand that the traditional stereotypes aren't going to disappear anytime soon, not get too worked up when the stereotypes are abused, and remember to stay open to other viewpoints.

Life is hell..