[sarah]

Originally Posted by Athenian200

Oh... I'm so sorry to hear about this. It really shouldn't have happened to you, but considering Keirsey's description of the SP temperament... are you really surprised?

Nope. You're right, many people here probably only use the Keirsey behaviorist method of identifying type. Actually, if they met me in person, they'd realize that the way I talk is not all nicely arranged and well-thought-out like the way I write. Writing styles can be pretty deceptive.

Originally Posted by Athenian200

I must say, though, you're rather clever to have come up with this idea. I see your Ni works a little.

Oooo, I would love to take total credit for that, but I came to that conclusion after showing an ENFJ on another type discussion list a long detailed (and very good) definition of introverted feeling -- just introverted feeling, with no mention of intuition or temperament -- and she said it was almost impossible for her to separate that defintion from the Idealist temperament, but that seh realized she herself didn't "do" Fi very well. So I take it that much of the confusion is related to people not realizing that there's a big difference between the "values" of the Idealist NF temperament (searching for identity, meaning and significance, unity, empathic relationships, cooperative interaction, etc) and using introverted feeling to solidify in your mind you strongly believe "has ultimate value" regardless of place and time. People like me can definitely have strong feelings of knowing what's worth valuing regardless of place and time and still live out the SP temperamental values (aesthetics, action, performance with skill, variety, fraternal relationships, etc) much more strongly than the NF temperamental values.

Plus, it doesn't help that there's a lot of confusion between compassion and empathy. I don't do the latter very well, even though I think it's wonderful that some people are able to.

Originally Posted by Athenian200

This IS in fact what most people think. I've typed myself as an INFJ, and most people think I'm an IxTJ. Most of what people stereotypically associate with NFs are, in fact, Fi traits. INFJs are often mistaken for NTs, because we have (according to the model) the weakest Fi out of the NF temperament (and the strongest Ti, which is what is stereotypically associated with the NT temperament).

Yes! I totally think you're right on that.

Originally Posted by Athenian200

According that same model, ISFP is very likely to be mistaken for an Idealist such as INFP. ISTPs would also often be mistaken for INTPs, and so on.

It goes like this:

INFJ leans towards NT (Ni+Ti).
INTJ leans towards NF (Ni+Fi).
ISFP leans towards NF (Fi+Ni).
ISTP leans towards NT (Ti+Ni).

This is a consequence not only of stereotypes, but of tertiary function influence. These sorts of mistypes seem most consistently predictable for ISPs and INJs.

Does that make sense?

Yes!

Sarah
ISFP