[INTJMom]

Originally Posted by Babylon Candle

I completely understand what you're getting at. However, that is kind of the point. Why do most S's that I know, have no problem being S? Why are most of the self typed T people I know, not wanting to be F? Why are the F's usually happy about not being "mean, cold and empathetic" (not that thats a true stereotype)?

The idea that I "want to be" NT is not exactly true. However, it kind of isn't far off in that it occurred to me:

"Wait, why do those ideals of NT temperament sound so much more like me?" Yes, it can be true that people often want what they can't have. I just started to wonder, "Maybe its because I actually am NT".

Secondly, I definitely see where it appears that I might be arguing for Te. Thats kind of the point I guess. I often put forth a point and let it stand out there until it gets toppled down. If it doesn't get knocked down, if its defendable, then why would I reject it? If everyone here immediately said, "BC there is no way you are a T", then me arguing for Te would kind of expedite the process of that backlash would it not?

Thirdly, I have IRL argued for my F'ness. Most people IRL that know about MBTI assume i'm a T when I first meet them, then I usually argue for my F'ness. So I dunno... I guess trust me on the fact that I have argued hard for F in the past as well??? I can and have over argued for being F too. I guess it comes down to which over-arguing is correct: tertiary Te with auxiliary Fi? or Te 1st/2nd then Fi 3rd/4th, or some other combo that better describes me?

If you split me up into two opposing forces, I could build a strong case for either T or F...so it doesn't help when I'm trying to describe myself. I mean, it does help... its not like I make up examples. There would be, and are, examples that I see for both sides.

I will definitely take note that you agree with my earlier self's typing of myself as ENFP. I also agree that I am not INTP.

I think you're an ENTJ.