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Old 10-01-2008, 07:05 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think that if you always feel that you aren't pretty enough, it isn't your looks that are to blame, but low self-esteem.
Yes, I agree, but do the other women?

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In general, men seem to get hung up on their virility/power and lose self-esteem when they feel weak.
Ok, I can buy that. To me it seems like some of the low-esteem guys compensate by building muscles. I've actually heard someone say it out loud: "I was bullied in school, but then I went to gym" And that guy was huge.

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Women seem to get hung up on their appearance and how they come across to others and lose self-esteem when they feel ugly -- which can include appearance but also "who they are" personality-wise. [Another word for it: "Desirability"]

It's the same way with the condition of the home too. (The guy will not care what the house looks like, typically; but the woman will feel embarrassed about letting anyone in while it's a mess... to her, anyway.)
So it comes down to nature? Male = strong, female = desirable. I'd like some opinions on this one...

But, are you implying that while women need to seem like good child-bearers (beautiful means good genes) they also need to show that they are able to maintain a good household?

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We can explore why that is, but that's the typical pattern in western culture at least.
My friend referred to corsets and such that were used before (our) western culture. Chinese feet, Egyptian make-up.
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