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Originally Posted by mlittrell
Here is my story on culture/race and mbti. Yesterday I went to the gym and it was all african americans, and you know what, I felt much more comfortable around them then your standard white guy. This is my thinking. The african american culture seems to be a much more XSFP culture. I'm not saying there are more XSFP's, I'm just saying they have a very XSFP outlook on life. When in the gym, I wanted to use a bench and there was someone on it so I asked if I could work in. As he looked up I realized he was an ISTJ but he happily chimed "sure man no problem, let me just finish this set". Now usually if I ask a guy who is a white ISTJ, he has to pull the whole macho thing (this is in my gym, I'm not saying all ISTJs are like this) and and tell me to wait till they are completely finished, usually in a very rude manner (not that I care that much). In white corporate America, you dont necessarily need to be extremely smart to get ahead, as long as your a hard worker. To me, white corporate America tends to seem to look well upon the XSTJ culture. Even some XSFP white guys I know have this XSTJ mentality. When in the gym with all of the african americans, even the XSTJ's put me at ease because of what I see as a culture that accepts XSFP.
That's just from personal experience. Wouldn't mind hearing other ideas.
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Originally Posted by edcoaching
The one "official" study I know of is a paper by Dan Robinson, African American and head of higher education at Iowa State. He describes his culture as ESP but found that successful African American males tend to "mask" ESTJ. He prefers ENFP himself.
I do a lot of work with urban schools and when we can get teachers to reframe behaviors as "extraverted" rather than disruptive, they start learning how to change the classroom environment to help these students succeed...
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When I learned about temperament, I early on expanded it to societies in a similar fashion, especially since Tim LaHaye's book on temperament mentioned caucasian civilization as being very "Choleric". I was more familiar with his take on the Galen temperaments, which would probably correspond more to the Interaction Styles. So here's how I saw them (to translate):
Caucasian: In Charge (aggressive, serious)
African and African American (aggressive, fun loving)
Asians: Chart the Course (withdrawn, serious)
Jews were perhaps Behind the Scenes or Phlegmatic, because of their humorousness, as well as being influential in a less aggressive way.
This wasn't looking at Keirsey temperament, but it is obvious thay the dominant Caucasian society is SJ, making ESTJ. (LaHaye would call this "Choleric Melancholy" or ChlorMel). I never thought about what African American society would be in the "conative" area. Their influence is probably what is softening the country down from it's strict ESTJ model. (Didn't Jennifer or someone also mention it becoming more P now?) So perhaps it is some sort of E_FP. But then, on second thought, there is traditionally a lot of Fe in the culture, especially regarding families, along with tradition. Could it be ESFJ? Or possibly ENTP?
Asians would also seem to be very SJ. So, overall, ISTJ. I would think Jews are also SJ, so that may be ISFJ?
It seems SJ is the dominant model in the world, because it maintains the people's identities and institutions (in addition to it being the most common temperament for individuals to begin with).