[Xander]

Originally Posted by Gen

I haven't found that to be true. There are some very introverted places in America you know. Even big ones. I found DC to seem kind of introverted. I found the whole place rather ISTJish. :lol:

But, I've never understood how you can assign a type at all to an entire country. It doesn't make sense. It only depends on your personal, subjective opinion and experience with that country, which can be entirely different from someone elses. I just think its a futile exercise.

A couple of defining features which I think underline the difference.

Sport.
The NFL is essentially one league versus the micro managed football leagues, cups and tournaments.

"Issues".
England's motto is stiff upper lip (ie suck it up and don't complain), the USA has made counselling and therapy part of it's mantra.

Legalities.
In England it would be considered premature to go into legal proceedings as quickly as it is done in America.

International relations.
America is well known for telling others what they should do where as England is more backwards about coming forwards. Our "voice" is quieter.

Interpersonal relations.
American's are known over here for being loud and brash which is often the perception of an extrovert from an introverts eyes.

It's not really supposed to be "all American's are extroverts" but more that most American's will be more familiar with extroverts than introverts. Hell just look at all the pazzaz that has to be included with every event from opening a shop to voting in a president. Do you see similar things in the UK? Not very often. Even the Queen is practically silent for 99% of the time. The tourist attraction she represents is basically people flocking to look at where she stays and watching the automatons in front of the palace!

Originally Posted by Gen

I haven't found this to be true at all either. What I have found is that N's tend to listen and get involved in personal discussion way more intimately than S's. S's like some in my family and my room mates, they tend to stay on the surface of issues rather than getting at the heart of things. You know, like disecting the concept that underlines the issues; that's N stuff.

N's understand you easier, that's not really the same thing. The most attentive listener I know is an INFP. He just listens and chips in when you leave him room to. My sister (one of those famed ENFJ listeners) won't necessarily wait for you to stop and once she's going you have to fight to get back to her listening. I see that as the introvert is the better listener even if my sister interprets better than he does.

Originally Posted by Dom

Well having introverted a bit before responding, and thus deciding not to bite on what has been bitten on so often before, I'll talk about some of the other bits.

Your nose will end up crooked you know

Originally Posted by Dom

I do not know if it is fair to say it is obvious that america is more extrovert than Britain, and then imply that the difference is obvious. Why do you think america is more extroverted? Personally I feel she is dangerously intoverted and always has been, an introverted SJ, certain that her way is right, and not prepared to listen to the wider international community or consider that other concepts on life have as much right to co-exist in the world as theirs.

And England isn't self righteous in the same vein? You must be joking! How long does it take us to accept a new "fad"?

We still have thousands of engineers who think that computers are imprecise and "hinky"!!

Originally Posted by Dom

Where as Britain has always been much more pluarlistic in her approach internationally, and listened or understood others rights to exist, hence why she traditionally had no problems keeping ideology and policy sepperate. I.E extroverted...

What you mean is less forceful. We sit there and declare we disagree but agree to do nothing about it. Combine that with the extreme bureaucracy and what do you get as a type?

Originally Posted by Dom

just an alternative idea...

Accepted. Now I'm going to be rethinking this for days.

Originally Posted by Dom

no it isn't or I'd be able to make personal decision's much more swiftly and easily (though you could frame this as really still being about me as I'm avoiding feeling guilty but then we are headed into a cyclic disscussion that we were so famous for on intpc years ago!)

It was a joke on the human condition old boy.

Chill, I'm not having a go.