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Originally Posted by Nocapszy
I'd rather not use Kiersey's broad, and in many places, inappropriate rhetoric for diagnosing type. I'm going to look up that FIRO thing, because I'm guessing it's got a lot more to do with "Control" and "Inclusion" (it's capitalized because it's a scale in that thing right?) and it might be meant somehow different from what I'm used to.
It's possible. I'll look it up.
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I only refer to Keirsey's system because it does seem to correspond to FIRO "Control". (Which is more than just a single "scale", but rather a full two-factor matrix with it's own "expressive" and "responsive" (wanted) dimension). In fact, the generic term for Keirsey's temperament area is "
conation", meaning "
action".
(I wonder what about Keirsey's concepts is "inappropriate"?)
Yet another evidence of this correlation, directly above:
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Other statements from that description can be deemed introverted qualities like
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The most important thing in relationships is absolute autonomy and independence. I admit I like to be in control and yet I'm kind of easygoing in that I just want freedom. and;
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Sometimes I have to tone it down a little bit--people may read me the wrong way. I'm very comfortable working either together as a team or individually.
I think we all agree that introverted types that have a good use of Fe can appear extraverted and extraverted thinking types that have the "In Charge" interaction style can have introverted tendencies. Contrast the ESTP with even the ISTP, and you find that there can be confusion along the E/I dichotomy. ISTPs say:
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I have only a few close friends that I really see a lot. Yet people have seen me as someone very lively and talkative. That’s the part of me that likes life to be an adventure.
as well as;
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In my work, I don’t want to be just doing stuff for the sake of doing stuff. I like to accomplish things--make a contribution. That’s real important. I take a "do it" type of approach. It’s very practical. It’s very here and now. That does not mean I don't take into consideration the big picture and what’s down the road and what’s best for the organization, but at the same time my big focus is "let's get this show on the road and let's do it." I do it as well as I can. Then I think very well on my feet. I can be quick with the verbal comeback—I like the impact. I just get in there and do it, and whatever job I go into, I hit the ground running. And I’m very competitive, often with myself. I tie one hand behind my back and see if I can still do it.
These remarks could easily apply to the average extraverted type in addition to;
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I rarely work on one thing at a time. I get an idea and chase it down. I’m always studying—not just books but looking at what interests me. I customize everything I touch; people tell me I can’t do something, and I say sure I can. And I like time to just sit down and enjoy. But when I have too much time I tend to just pick away at things.
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The SP's "pragmatism" corresponds to a high expressed Control. So there will be this "expressive" aspect of the person, which will look like a kind of "extraversion" even if an "I" type. Yet, notice how a lot of that involves, basically,
leadership and responsibilities skills (as opposed to basic social skills).
Some info on FIRO, which is concise and will give you the basics:
Fundamental Interpersonal Relations Orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia